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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #45 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:43pm

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Do I think that do I? Seems strange that I'd say this then:

Either way you are still ignoring the majority of the animals that they kill.
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Would it be OK if I pointed out that that reserach is from the US, where the ecosystems are different?

How are they different in anyway that would affect the animals they kill?
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Would it be OK if I pointed out that my cats are well fed, and far too dam lazy to even move themselves off my bed most of the time, let alone hunt?

You said yourself that you see some of the stuff they kill?
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Would it be OK to point out theres not a helluva lot of endangered species in the suburbs of Perth?

But you said yourself that its animals that people care about that shouldn't be killed, so they do not need to be endangered just cared about..

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #47 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:51pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

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Do I think that do I? Seems strange that I'd say this then:

Either way you are still ignoring the majority of the animals that they kill.

Nnnno I'm not. They kill mostly field mice, with the odd willy wagtail.

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Would it be OK if I pointed out that that reserach is from the US, where the ecosystems are different?

How are they different in anyway that would affect the animals they kill?
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Well I already pointed out we don't have chipmunks and moles. They can't kill what isn't there...

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Would it be OK if I pointed out that my cats are well fed, and far too dam lazy to even move themselves off my bed most of the time, let alone hunt?

You said yourself that you see some of the stuff they kill?
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Yeah, I didn't sat they didn't kill, (well, 1 of them doesn't) I said they don't kill anything important, and not terribly often either.

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Would it be OK to point out theres not a helluva lot of endangered species in the suburbs of Perth?

But you said yourself that its animals that people care about that shouldn't be killed, so they do not need to be endangered just cared about..
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You still gonna pretend you care about the mice that foolishly decided to call my propertry home? lets cut the bullshit - nobody cares about them , least of all you.

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #48 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:54pm

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Nnnno I'm not. They kill mostly field mice, with the odd willy wagtail.

Link?
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Well I already pointed out we don't have chipmunks and moles. They can't kill what isn't there...

*facepalm*
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Yeah, I didn't sat they didn't kill, (well, 1 of them doesn't) I said they don't kill anything important, and not terribly often either.

Except you don't know that.
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ou still gonna pretend you care about the mice that foolishly decided to call my propertry home? lets cut the bullshit - nobody cares about them , least of all you.

Still going on about the mice?
If you were so right why would you need to ignore 90% of the other animals they kill?

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #49 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:03pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 5:54pm:

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Nnnno I'm not. They kill mostly field mice, with the odd willy wagtail.

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Sorry, I don't log and post to the internet the exact details of each of my cats kills. Cheesy

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Well I already pointed out we don't have chipmunks and moles. They can't kill what isn't there...

*facepalm*

realised your idiocy on that one eh?

Forgiven.

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Yeah, I didn't sat they didn't kill, (well, 1 of them doesn't) I said they don't kill anything important, and not terribly often either.

Except you don't know that.
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yes I do. I live with them dickhead. They are old and very, very predictable.

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ou still gonna pretend you care about the mice that foolishly decided to call my propertry home? lets cut the bullshit - nobody cares about them , least of all you.

Still going on about the mice?
If you were so right why would you need to ignore 90% of the other animals they kill? [/quote]

Umm...Because 90% of what they kill are mice. 5% birds, 5% misecellaneous. Why the bugger would you think you know my situation better than I do?

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Reply #50 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:08pm

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Sorry, I don't log and post to the internet the exact details of each of my cats kills.

We're not just talking about your cats idiot.
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realised your idiocy on that one eh?

Forgiven.

You yourself have pointed out an animal similar to them.
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yes I do. I live with them dickhead. They are old and very, very predictable.

How could you possibly know? You don't follow them all day do you?
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Umm...Because 90% of what they kill are mice. 5% birds, 5% misecellaneous. Why the bugger would you think you know my situation better than I do?

Except you can't back that up with fact and I have presented evidence to show this is absolutely incorrect.

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Reply #51 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

[We're not just talking about your cats idiot.

I am. Who elses cats would I be talking about when I repeatedly say MY cats?

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You yourself have pointed out an animal similar to them.

I'm not sure what "them" you're referring to, but I can assure we they don't live in my suburb.

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Except you can't back that up with fact and I have presented evidence to show this is absolutely incorrect.

Your study from the US?

Do I really need to point out why you might need to adjust that to an australian audience? Again.

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #54 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Your only argument for the study being irrelevant is that we don't have chipmunks and moles, even tho we do have many equivalents lets exclude that category from the equation.
Over 80% of the study is still relevant:
Lizards, snakes, and frogs made up 41 percent of the animals killed, while small mammals such as chipmunks and moles were 25 percent of the death toll. Insects and worms were another 20 percent, and birds 12 percent, the researchers said.

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Reply #55 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Your only argument for the study being irrelevant is that we don't have chipmunks and moles, even tho we do have many equivalents lets exclude that category from the equation.
Over 80% of the study is still relevant:
Lizards, snakes, and frogs made up 41 percent of the animals killed, while small mammals such as chipmunks and moles were 25 percent of the death toll. Insects and worms were another 20 percent, and birds 12 percent, the researchers said.

Try again

And it never occurred to you that the make up of their kills will be reflective of the wildlife in the area in which the study was done? That it doesn't apply in equal measure in another area on another continent?

Interesting to see you shedding tears over insects and worms now too.

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #56 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:29pm

... wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Your only argument for the study being irrelevant is that we don't have chipmunks and moles, even tho we do have many equivalents lets exclude that category from the equation.
Over 80% of the study is still relevant:
Lizards, snakes, and frogs made up 41 percent of the animals killed, while small mammals such as chipmunks and moles were 25 percent of the death toll. Insects and worms were another 20 percent, and birds 12 percent, the researchers said.

Try again

And it never occurred to you that the make up of their kills will be reflective of the wildlife in the area in which the study was done?

Interesting to see you shedding tears over insects and worms now too.

There are plenty of lizards, snakes, frogs, small mammals, insects and worms in and around perth?

If they are native then they have more right to be living then your cat.

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Re: Study Finds Cats Are Killing Machines
Reply #57 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:01pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

... wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Your only argument for the study being irrelevant is that we don't have chipmunks and moles, even tho we do have many equivalents lets exclude that category from the equation.
Over 80% of the study is still relevant:
Lizards, snakes, and frogs made up 41 percent of the animals killed, while small mammals such as chipmunks and moles were 25 percent of the death toll. Insects and worms were another 20 percent, and birds 12 percent, the researchers said.

Try again

And it never occurred to you that the make up of their kills will be reflective of the wildlife in the area in which the study was done?

Interesting to see you shedding tears over insects and worms now too.

There are plenty of lizards, snakes, frogs, small mammals, insects and worms in and around perth?

If they are native then they have more right to be living then your cat.

Indeed there are. But they will be different types of lizards, snakes, frogs, small mammals insects and worms, therefore, the proportions killed will not be the same. I don't expect my cats have killed too many tiger snakes, which will be the only snakes you'll get round here. Maybe they got a couple of those little geckos, but I think they'd be too fast to be common prey. Frogs - possibly, but they only come out when its wet - and the cats won't venture out.

And as for the small mammals (ie field mice) insects and worms - yep, they've killed a ton, but who gives a poo?

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Reply #58 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:10pm

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Indeed there are. But they will be different types of lizards, snakes, frogs, small mammals insects and worms, therefore, the proportions killed will not be the same. I don't expect my cats have killed too many tiger snakes, which will be the only snakes you'll get round here. Maybe they got a couple of those little geckos, but I think they'd be too fast to be common prey. Frogs - possibly, but they only come out when its wet - and the cats won't venture out.

And as for the small mammals (ie field mice) insects and worms - yep, they've killed a ton, but who gives a poo?

Well firstly we're not just talking about Perth..
The proportions will be relatively the same but it doesn't really matter if they are different in this case.

There are more snakes then that, and more lizards, frogs can come out when disturbed but cats do know how to look for animals you know right?..
For Australia you should include small marsupials of which Perth has.

You said yourself that if someone cares about an animal then you have no right to kill it..
Regardless, they are native and small insects and worms are way more important then many larger animals.. There are heaps of endangered insects.

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Reply #59 - Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:17pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

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Indeed there are. But they will be different types of lizards, snakes, frogs, small mammals insects and worms, therefore, the proportions killed will not be the same. I don't expect my cats have killed too many tiger snakes, which will be the only snakes you'll get round here. Maybe they got a couple of those little geckos, but I think they'd be too fast to be common prey. Frogs - possibly, but they only come out when its wet - and the cats won't venture out.

And as for the small mammals (ie field mice) insects and worms - yep, they've killed a ton, but who gives a poo?

Well firstly we're not just talking about Perth..
The proportions will be relatively the same but it doesn't really matter if they are different in this case.

There are more snakes then that, and more lizards, frogs can come out when disturbed but cats do know how to look for animals you know right?..
For Australia you should include small marsupials of which Perth has.

You said yourself that if someone cares about an animal then you have no right to kill it..
Regardless, they are native and small insects and worms are way more important then many larger animals.. There are heaps of endangered insects.

I am.

I am specifically talking about MY cats that live at MY house.

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