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The Coalition Plan For Unfair Dismissal Costs.
Aug 7th, 2012 at 7:39am
 
Unions blast Coalition plan for unfair dismissal costs

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    August 7, 2012




Michelle Grattan
Political editor of The Age







THE ACTU has slammed a proposal being considered by the Coalition to make unsuccessful claimants in unfair dismissal cases liable to have to pay costs.    Huh      

Workplace spokesman Eric Abetz is examining the idea, to discourage ''go away money'' settlements.

Fair Work Australia would examine the case and make a decision on the basis of the paperwork. If one party then wanted to pursue the matter further, they could be up for costs if they lost.

ACTU president Ged Kearney said such a system would severely curtail a fundamental workplace right and protection.    Sad


Ms Kearney said the threat of costs being awarded for an unsuccessful claim would effectively prevent many low-paid workers from ever pursuing legitimate claims for unfair dismissal.    Sad

This was a back-door way of restricting the rights of workers to be protected from unfair dismissal after the Fair Work Act restored these rights for all workers, she said.

Senator Abetz said the system would curb frivolous claims, but Ms Kearney said: ''There is nothing frivolous about losing your job and nothing frivolous about standing up for your rights to be protected from unfair dismissal.'' The proposal ''goes against over a century of industrial relations practice in which the independent umpire has been a no-cost jurisdiction''.

She said that on average about 1 million workers were dismissed each year with only about 1.5 per cent of all dismissals being taken to Fair Work Australia. Of those, only 527 were not resolved without needing a hearing, and just 154 of them were decided in favour of the worker.

The government-commissioned review of the Fair Work Act - made public last week - recommended the legislation be amended to allow FWA to make costs orders ''against a party that has unreasonably failed to discontinue a proceeding, or has unreasonably failed to agree to terms of settlement that could have led to discontinuing the application''.

Senator Abetz indicated that the Coalition would likely support this recommendation if the government takes it up.   

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/unions-blast-coalition-plan-for-unfair-dismissal-costs-20120806-23qli.html#ixzz22nuVdFKa
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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 7:43am
 
06 August, 2012 | Media Release A Liberal plan to make unsuccessful claimants pay costs in unfair dismissal cases would severely curtail a fundamental workplace right and protection.

ACTU President Ged Kearney said the threat of costs being awarded for an unsuccessful claim would effectively prevent many low-paid workers from ever pursuing legitimate claims for unfair dismissal.    Sad

This was a back door way of restricting the rights of workers to be protected from unfair dismissal after the Fair Work Act restored these rights for all workers, she said.

“This proposal floated by Eric Abetz would punish the victims of unfair dismissal by hitting them with costs if for some reason their case is unsuccessful,” Ms Kearney said.    Sad

“The Liberal Party claims their plan would stop ‘frivolous claims’.

“There is nothing frivolous about losing your job, and nothing frivolous about standing up for your rights to be protected from unfair dismissal.    Wink

“How can a low-paid worker risk taking a legitimate case to the tribunal if they have the threat of substantial costs being awarded against them if they are unsuccessful?

“This goes against over a century of industrial relations practice in which the independent umpire has been a no-cost jurisdiction.

“The Liberals also fail to understand that unfair dismissal laws help prevent unnecessary sackings and give workers job security.”    Sad

Ms Kearney said the removal of unfair dismissal protections was a “Holy Grail” of the Liberal Party. Under WorkChoices, employers with less than 100 staff were exempt from any claims of unfair dismissal. This denied 66% of all employees in the federal system – almost 6 million people – from any unfair dismissal protections.

The Fair Work Act has restored unfair dismissal rights for all workers.

On average, about 1 million workers are dismissed each year, with only about 1.5% of all dismissals being taken to Fair Work Australia. Of those, only 527 were not resolved without needing a hearing , and just 154 of them were decided in favour of the worker.

“This proposal to slug unfair dismissal claimants with costs is part of the Liberal Party’s strategy to take away workers’ rights,” Ms Kearney said.    Angry

“Instead of actually coming out with a policy or a plan for Australia’s workplace relations system, their strategy appears to be death for workers’ rights by a thousand cuts.    Sad

“Unions are determined to expose these policies to public scrutiny.”
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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 8:01am
 
easy fix,

only employ the right people in the first place,  find staff who show a commitment to hard work.
i have found going to things like clean up australia day, local landcare groups, local volunteer little athletics meets. is a great way to find good staff.

get talking to people.

judge their character


find people who are undervalued in their current job,
offer them a job, spoil them, make a shitload of money,  crap all over the dumb employer who is your opposition and is facing unfair dismissal cases cause he employed numpties in the first place.

geez i love dumb people,  let the numpties employ the numpties Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
The coalition will face an avalanche of law suits if it goes down this road....these dumb 'rse liars wont learn they cant abuse the power of the state for personal financial gain till we make them pay for it out of their own pockets... Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:00am
 
So? If you are unfairly dismissed then there is nothing to worry about. Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:30am
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:00am:
So? If you are unfairly dismissed then there is nothing to worry about. Roll Eyes


No we need to sue individual coalition Pollies responsible for subverting workers constitutional right to economic social security and conspiracy to isolate them individually and force them under social law tyranny...Workers have grounds to sue individual politicians who abuse power to wage class war against their constitutional rights for damages...Abbott be on notice I will be agitating to encourage people to sue you over this personally if you go anywhere near it.... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #6 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:49am
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 7th, 2012 at 10:00am:
So? If you are unfairly dismissed then there is nothing to worry about. Roll Eyes



i dont think you can solve this with regulation.  it really is a relationship that requires trust.

the first thing an arsehole employer will do is get a hold of the legislation and work out how to dismiss someone and not be subject to an unfair dismissal claim.

i mean , do you seriously think a boss is going to be STUPID enough to say,  oh youre pregnant, youre fired. of course not.
but i see these dysfunctional work environments all the time and its fairly obvious when an employer wants to get rid of someone and is just going thru the motions.

1 st warning
mediation
2nd warning
more mediation
sorry , goodbye.

its just an unproductive waste of everybodies time but it proably keeps a few lawyers and union reps and HR people in a job.

but personally,  EMPLOY GOOD PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. you wouldnt marry a stranger,  why would you employ one.
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Reply #7 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:29pm
 
Every Australian citizen must target Tony Abbott with law suits if he goes any where near the unfair dismissal laws...he is trying to strip all of us of our constitutional rights to defend ourselves and make us subject to social law...a popularity contest - Big Brother law.  All of us currently have recourse to defend ourselves - Lets collectively make Tony Abbott our personal target for law suits if he goes anywhere near the unfair dismissal laws and make him pay for his actions on a personal financial level he will never forget if he tries this.... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #8 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:33pm
 
prevailing,  you sure do love the courts and want us to spend most of our lives there.

now spending your life in a court is fine if your roger federer and i could probably spend a bit of time in a womens beach volleyball court , but not our law courts. Smiley

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Reply #9 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:38pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
prevailing,  you sure do love the courts and want us to spend most of our lives there.

now spending your life in a court is fine if your roger federer and i could probably spend a bit of time in a womens beach volleyball court , but not our law courts. Smiley


Yes I do - the courts are there for people like me to defend myself against crooks and dictators and protect my legal rights and I believe in using them - so I suggest if you dont want to get sued then dont use the parliament for your personal ideological crusades and class war against my rights - ;'cause I believe in suing your freaking 'rse off if you do - I have had a gut full of it... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #10 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:53pm
 
I am not sure I have any problem with the concept if it is managed well.

Allowing the facts to be presented and assesed at a low cost to both parties is not without merit.

However I think that there is every chance that it could easily backfire of the Liberals and employers.

Making it easy for employees to just throw their hat in the ring looking for a lucky dip pay out may well be the end result.
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Reply #11 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:58pm
 
I will never allow the economic rights of Australian citizens to become the slave of a popularity contest and legal class discrimination.  Try it and I will sue that politicians freaking 'rse off like he will never forget for damages and still win the case in the High Court on constitutional grounds.  You will pay for it if you try to strip me of my legal rights in the Parliament - I will take you personally for every thing you have... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #12 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 7th, 2012 at 1:53pm:
I am not sure I have any problem with the concept if it is managed well.

Allowing the facts to be presented and assesed at a low cost to both parties is not without merit.

However I think that there is every chance that it could easily backfire of the Liberals and employers.

Making it easy for employees to just throw their hat in the ring looking for a lucky dip pay out may well be the end result.



but theres the rub dnarever,

if you introduce too many rules regulations and hoops to jump thru, employers simply wont hire an
'unknown quantity"  they will scale back a bit or get their current employees to work overtime.

not a good outcome for anyone. ESPECIALLY the unemployed

free up the labour market seems sensible to me.
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Touch my constitutional rights to justice and to defend myself Gillard or Abbott and I will sue you for every cent you have.... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #14 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
All Australian citizens need to start isolating and targeting with legal action any politician who attempts to use the Parliament to strip them of their legal rights and make them pay heavily on a personal level for the attempt...target them with law suits.... Smiley Smiley
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