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FREE SPEECH

Generally Tony Abbott's words have shed little light on how he would govern in practical terms (by design, no doubt) but in today's speech at the Institute of Public Affairs, Abbott's view is clear: he stands with Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, Gina Rinehart and the big media proprietors against any form of media regulation.

The speech is a stale collection of bogey-words and phrases ("thought police", "political correctness enforcement agency"); false equivalences ("If it's all right for David Marr to upset conservative Christians, why is it not all right for Bolt to upset activist Aborigines?"); and straw-man arguments against media regulations which haven't even been proposed.


Abbott uses 'free speech' as his banner to march under. In Australia, strictly speaking, there is no such thing. The right to free speech is limited by laws against religious, sexual and racial vilification, for instance. And relevant to the Bolt case, which seems to animate Abbott in particular,
free speech does not include publishing lies that racially offend, as was found to be the case by the court.


But this is mere detail, right?

http://www.themonthly.com.au/politicoz


And of course we will attack the reporting rather than the substance.
Oh the "Monthly" leftie propaghanda rag
I'm casting pearls at swine.


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The job of government is to foster free speech, not to suppress it

    by: Tony Abbott
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    August 06, 2012 12:00AM

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THIS is not a government that argues its case. Mostly, it howls down its critics using the megaphone of incumbency. There's the jihad against mining magnates for daring to question the government's investment-sapping mining tax.

There's the claim that Gina Rinehart is a "danger to democracy" because she dared to buy an interest in a newspaper group and refused to endorse the Fairfax group's existing editorial culture. Late last year, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy accused the Sydney Daily Telegraph of a deliberate campaign to "bring the government down". Julia Gillard had a screaming match with former News Limited boss John Hartigan over an article about her dealings prior to entering parliament with a union official. The Greens have been consistently critical of those former senator Bob Brown tagged the "hate media". The Prime Minister personally insisted that News Limited in Australia had "questions to answer" in the wake of the British phone hacking scandal. It seems obvious that her real concern was not Fleet Street-style illegality but News Limited's coverage of her government.
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To Ray Finkelstein's credit, there's no specific "get News Limited" vendetta evident in the report of his Independent Inquiry into the Media and Media Regulation. Still, his recommendation that a powerful News Media Council should "set journalistic standards", "enforce news standards" and "have power to require a news media outlet to publish an apology, correction, or retraction" looks like an attempt to warn off News Limited from pursuing anti-government stories.

Are you serious??
Bagging standards & their enforcement??
Why stop with Journalists, I want to be a surgeon
The AMA standards & enforcement of those are stopping my right to operate
Isn't that right Tony.
Don't even get me started on the conspiracy projection
What a loon




The "community, industry and professional representatives" that Finkelstein wants appointed to the new regulator are unlikely to be truly independent of the government that will fund it. We know the present government's attitude to fearless reporting because it is constantly complaining about it. Perhaps the most shameless example was Doug Cameron accusing the "Murdoch press" of actually "fabricating stories" about the prospect of a Rudd challenge for which he was one of the numbers men!





Any new watchdog could become a political correctness enforcement agency. It's easy to imagine the fate of Andrew Bolt or Alan Jones at the hands of such thought police. Their demise, you understand, wouldn't be because the government didn't like them but because they'd persistently breached "standards".

Or perhaps they continually lied & mislead, incited violence and hatred in the community?




In response to a strongly worded critique of the Finkelstein recommendations, the government has replied to seven media chief executives saying it might not proceed with a new regulator if the media were to establish more effective forms of self-regulation. In other words, "censor yourselves or we will do it for you". Any government that demands changed behaviour from the media under circumstances like these is not trying to raise journalistic standards but to lower them.

Yet self regulation in just about every other area is supported/nay championed by you & your party Tony.
You "Small Government", "Cutting Red Tape"
Yet how often do we self regulation fail, your missing the point Tony, she's giving them an out.




The Coalition rejects the Finkelstein proposals, it rejects any additional regulation for the print media and it rejects calls for the introduction of a public interest test or any test to determine who might be suitable to have a stake in Australia's media. It calls on the government to do likewise.

Until the media turns on you Tony
It will then you'll be recommending the report if not harsher measures due to the lying/misrepresenting press
Or is it you think you will be immune because your mates will owe you for quashing these recommendations?


Australia does not need more regulation of the media, it needs a debate about freedom of speech.

A hung parliament has brought out the government's authoritarian streak. It is not the role of government to manage the day-to-day practices of journalism; to "mark" commentary and media against unavoidably subjective standards of fairness. The job of government is to foster free speech, not stifle it. It's to increase the number and the range of people who can participate in public debate, not to reduce it.



Another threat to freedom of speech in Australia is the operation of section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, which prohibits statements that "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate" another person or a group of people on grounds of race or ethnicity.



At the time of its introduction, oblivious to its Orwellian overtones, the then minister, Nick Bolkus, said that it was designed to prohibit "speechcrime" over and above the traditional tort of defamation.

Making the likelihood of causing offence to a group the test of acceptable behaviour is a much more onerous restriction than bringing a particular victim into hatred, ridicule or contempt.



Let's be clear: insulting, humiliating or intimidating others on any grounds, racial or otherwise, is deplorable but a "hurt feelings" test is impossible to comply with while maintaining the fearless pursuit of truth which should be the hallmark of a society such as ours.



As Robert Menzies declared: "The whole essence of freedom (of speech) is that it is freedom for others as well as (for) ourselves. (It is) a conception which is not born with us, but which we must painfully acquire. Most of us have no instinct at all to preserve the right of the other fellow to think what he likes about our beliefs and to say what he likes about our opinions. (But) if truth is to emerge, and in the long run be triumphant, the process of free debate - the untrammelled clash of opinion - must go on."



The article for which Bolt was prosecuted under this legislation was almost certainly not his finest. Still, if free speech is to mean anything, it's the freedom to write badly and rudely. Speech that has to be inoffensive is not free, just unerringly politically correct.



If it's all right for David Marr to upset conservative Christians, why is it not all right for Bolt to upset activist Aborigines?



The Coalition will repeal section 18C in its present form. We would be prepared to maintain a prohibition on inciting hatred against or intimidation of particular racial groups, akin to the ancient common law offences of incitement and causing fear. Expression or advocacy should never be unlawful merely because it is offensive. It ought to be inconceivable that a commentator offering an opinion should fall foul of the law just because offence was taken or might be expected to be taken. This is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with Bolt. It's a matter of an expansive or a repressive view of the right to free speech.



It's not just the present government which will be put to the test in the debate over new restrictions on free speech, although its authoritarian tendencies are likely to be on display. It will be all the commentators and organisations that have ever thundered in defence of free speech but find their indignation highly selective when it's News Limited or Bolt that are in the dock.



The Australian Left has long cited the Menzies government's attempt to ban the Communist Party as an egregious assault on freedom. What will they make of any Gillard government legislation to restrict freedom of speech? Menzies sought to restrict freedom in order to defend the country. The Gillard government, by contrast, seeks to restrict freedom in order to defend itself.

Tony Abbott is Leader of the Opposition. This is an edited extract of a speech to be given today at the Institute of Public Affairs.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/the-job-of-government-i...


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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm
 
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.
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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:25pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.



That maybe so, but do you support Finklesteins recommendations or not.
Do you want our newspapers & other professional media outlets to be just that "Professional"
or are you happy to see Prevailings rantings past off as news & fact?

As for your pro Rudd crap, it's this very sort of thing the report wishes to curtail.
They may have been pro Rudd but for 2 elections before that they were Pro Howard, they are now Pro Tony & eventually they will be Pro Labor again.
They should be Pro Relevant/Factual Information, nothing else UNLESS clearly marked OPINION & in the OPINION SECTION, not front page.
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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
Yes Tnoy it is an insult to the core of our beliefs if people Like Bolt do not have a free reign to their dishonest racial abuse and the freedom to abuse vilify and lible who ever they like.
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gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.


They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters

The problem is that the media started reflecting this opinion way before the public held a view.

Fact is that the media have been a driver for this result and not a reflection of it.
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gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.


Since when is it the job of the media to tell the people what they want to hear? I always thought the job of the media was to report the facts, free of bias and regardless of whether the people liked them or not.
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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:30pm
 
Comparing an absence of stamdsrds for journalists with surgeons is just silly. When did words become so hurtful?

There is no need for any regulation of the media.
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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:33pm
 
If you don't like what the media write don't buy their papers.
If you don't like what they say on the radio don't listen.
If you don't like what you see on the TV then watch something else, or turn it off and do something else.
If you have to worry about what everyone else reading, listening and watching then you have a problem.
It must be frustrating.  Smiley
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gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.

Maybe labor can get the gestapo out and investigate the people. Investigate and manipulate why the people hate them. Maybe create some gas chambers for possible future use.
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gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.
It's not the media's job to reflect the opinion of others, their job is to report the news as truthfully as they can and without bias


But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.

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Opinion pieces used to be relegated to small articles in the back of the paper, these days with a lot of the media outlets, they are front page stories and printed as if they were the story ... often misleading the reader from the truth of the story .
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progressiveslol wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.

Maybe labor can get the gestapo out and investigate the people. Investigate and manipulate why the people hate them. Maybe create some gas chambers for possible future use.


What like Howard & the 2 year AFP investigation into who leaked the proposal to cut TPI pensions.
Funny how the media needed scrutiny & regulations then but not now.
2 Reporters brought to court to reveal sources, apparently OK back then , but now you can write what you want & Tony will back you, hell he even wants you to be able to publish in a daily paper.

Lets have a go shall we:

ABBOTT RAPES DOG


The Coalition today is trying to downplay reports from un-named senior liberal figures about an incident at a Liberal fundraising event on the Gold coast.
As the story has been told, after a few hours of your normal pressing of the flesh and drinks , it would seem the heady intoxication of mutual love in the room became to much for the Opposition Leader.
After meeting with a Mr Newman on table 10 who is blind with an assistance dog Mr Abbott took  the animals apparent delight at being rubbed behind the ears as a sign of something more.

Reports on what followed are hazy but what is in no doubt is that Mr Newmans assistance dog is now in the GC Vet clinic with a ruptured anus, and Mr Abbott has gone to ground refusing all applications to clear his name on this matter.

Gold Coast police are continuing to investigate & are interviewing all present.
Those in attendance are reminded that destruction of photographic evidence is a felony.

To quote the man himself
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but a "hurt feelings" test is impossible to comply with while maintaining the fearless pursuit of truth which should be the hallmark of a society such as ours.

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Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:22pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
gold_medal wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Lame. double lame and triple lame. The governments media enquiry and repeated whingy complaints are because the media hates them. Perhaps it has yet to filter thru their unionised minds thatthe voters hate them too. They dont seem able to accept that the media is reflecting the opinion of the voters.

But in the ultimate hypocritical stand, they are okay with the media being overtly pro-rudd in 2007 despite Howards record being vastly superior to Gillards byany measure.

ALP - whiny little children not able to lose with grace and dignity. And all it will give them is more tears on election night and the well-deserved mocking of the media.

Maybe labor can get the gestapo out and investigate the people. Investigate and manipulate why the people hate them. Maybe create some gas chambers for possible future use.


What like Howard & the 2 year AFP investigation into who leaked the proposal to cut TPI pensions.
Funny how the media needed scrutiny & regulations then but not now.
2 Reporters brought to court to reveal sources, apparently OK back then , but now you can write what you want & Tony will back you, hell he even wants you to be able to publish in a daily paper.

Lets have a go shall we:

ABBOTT RAPES DOG


The Coalition today is trying to downplay reports from un-named senior liberal figures about an incident at a Liberal fundraising event on the Gold coast.
As the story has been told, after a few hours of your normal pressing of the flesh and drinks , it would seem the heady intoxication of mutual love in the room became to much for the Opposition Leader.
After meeting with a Mr Newman on table 10 who is blind with an assistance dog Mr Abbott took  the animals apparent delight at being rubbed behind the ears as a sign of something more.

Reports on what followed are hazy but what is in no doubt is that Mr Newmans assistance dog is now in the GC Vet clinic with a ruptured anus, and Mr Abbott has gone to ground refusing all applications to clear his name on this matter.

Gold Coast police are continuing to investigate & are interviewing all present.
Those in attendance are reminded that destruction of photographic evidence is a felony.

To quote the man himself
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but a "hurt feelings" test is impossible to comply with while maintaining the fearless pursuit of truth which should be the hallmark of a society such as ours.


lol and it went nowhere as the dog is closed lipped about it.

A leak of a document is not the same as 'why the voting public hate labor/gillard'
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Reply #14 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 5:20pm
 
namnugenot wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:33pm:
If you don't like what the media write don't buy their papers.
If you don't like what they say on the radio don't listen.
If you don't like what you see on the TV then watch something else, or turn it off and do something else.
If you have to worry about what everyone else reading, listening and watching then you have a problem.
It must be frustrating.  Smiley



yep, good advice.  well said
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