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Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Aug 6^th, 2012 at 12:39am

Must be upsetting for the AGW croud, that all that scaremongering over a local weather event in the US has all been a waste.

Harsh weather doesn't prove global warming, Republican lawmakers say

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/242239-harsh-weather-doesnt-prove-globa...

Guess it is the skeptics turn to start using extreme cold as the definitive answer that there is no glabal warming. Lets see what non-scaremongering will do.

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Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:04am

Politicians out of step with their own electorates. This comes from the same article.

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Although scientists caution climate change can’t be blamed for individual events, this summer may be linked to a trend toward hotter, drier weather in much of the country. Public opinion has been affected by seasonal conditions. Last month, 70 percent of respondents to a University of Texas at Austin poll said they believed the climate was changing, up from 65 percent in March. The jump in belief was largest among people in the drought-hit South.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:12am Their master's voice. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00005582
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:18am MOTR wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:12am: Their master's voice. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00005582 Dont see anything unusual. Do you know how much oil and gas give to catastrophic climate change groups?
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Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:22am

Even Republicans.

Is It Hot Enough for Ya?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/opinion/sunday/is-it-hot-enough-for-ya.html?pa...

For now, though, Americans, long cynical about global warming, are confronting the facts. According to a survey conducted in July by the University of Texas, 70 percent of Americans believe the climate is changing, compared to 65 percent in March, and only 15 percent say it isn’t. Party affiliation continues to divide public opinion, but today most Republicans, 53 percent, believe in climate change, as do 72 percent of independents and 87 percent of Democrats.

Perhaps that’s because this year’s extreme weather has afflicted residents of red and blue states equally. The United States Drought Monitor, based at the University of Nebraska, reports that moderate to severe drought conditions this summer are affecting 64 percent of the lower 48 states, leading to domestic food inflation and record high prices for grain.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:24am You're in a diminishing minority, progs. Get used to it.
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Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:27am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 12:39am:

Must be upsetting for the AGW croud, that all that scaremongering over a local weather event in the US has all been a waste.

Harsh weather doesn't prove global warming, Republican lawmakers say

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/242239-harsh-weather-doesnt-prove-globa...

Guess it is the skeptics turn to start using extreme cold as the definitive answer that there is no glabal warming. Lets see what non-scaremongering will do.

Pity you won't have as many events to point to. Though I'm sure you'll try it on.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:40am

MOTR wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 7:27am:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 12:39am:

Must be upsetting for the AGW croud, that all that scaremongering over a local weather event in the US has all been a waste.

Harsh weather doesn't prove global warming, Republican lawmakers say

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/242239-harsh-weather-doesnt-prove-globa...

Guess it is the skeptics turn to start using extreme cold as the definitive answer that there is no glabal warming. Lets see what non-scaremongering will do.

Pity you won't have as many events to point to. Though I'm sure you'll try it on.

http://deknarf.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/heat-waves-climate-change1.jpg

So why have you left out the 1930's again. Cherry picking a quiet period vs today, will give you exactly what you want. Pathetic.

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Upton Sinclair Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 496	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am progressiveslol got 0wned
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 10:17am Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am: progressiveslol got 0wned Yeh sure lol by cherry picking a period of quiet and leaving out a period of much lower co2 and not that long ago, 1930's. Compare the 2, then you can come back and say owned.
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Reply #10 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 11:26am

This just in:

Have a look at this chart. It tells you pretty much all you need to know about the much-anticipated scoop by Anthony Watts of Watts Up With That?What it means, in a nutshell, is that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – the US government body in charge of America's temperature record, has systematically exaggerated the extent of late 20th century global warming. In fact, it has doubled it.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 12:34pm Can't argue with a graph, can you? http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/
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Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Reply #13 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

This just in:

You've been missing the discussion on Watts on another thread. In a nut shell, he made a great many incorrect assumptions and failed to grasp the basic principles. Of course, that's not entirely unexpected for a layman.

Did you miss this part, where the maximum possible effect of adjustments was discussed?
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Adjustments Make Little Difference Globally
While Watts et al. identify possible issues concerning the adjustments applied to station temperature records, it wisely makes no attempt to assess the global impact of the adjustments, which are beyond the scope of the work. Nonetheless, this is a significant question from a public interest perspective.

In order to answer this question, we willl try and estimate the maximum possible impact of station adjustments on the instrumental temperature record. To minimise the warming signal, we will use the simplest method for calculating a global temperature average - the CRU method, which is known to yield poor coverage at high latitudes and hence underestimate recent warming. Further, we'll assume that entirety of the data adjustments are wrong (ignoring proven bias corrections such as TOB). If we calculate land temperature averages from both the raw and adjusted data, we can see how much difference the adjustments make. The result is shown in the figure below (red and green lines).

In fact the adjustments make very little difference anyway.

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Re: Climate change scaremongering goes to waste
Reply #14 - Aug 6^th, 2012 at 3:43pm

muso wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 6^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

This just in:

You've been missing the discussion on Watts on another thread. In a nut shell, he made a great many incorrect assumptions and failed to grasp the basic principles. Of course, that's not entirely unexpected for a layman.

Did you miss this part, where the maximum possible effect of adjustments was discussed?
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Adjustments Make Little Difference Globally
While Watts et al. identify possible issues concerning the adjustments applied to station temperature records, it wisely makes no attempt to assess the global impact of the adjustments, which are beyond the scope of the work. Nonetheless, this is a significant question from a public interest perspective.

In order to answer this question, we willl try and estimate the maximum possible impact of station adjustments on the instrumental temperature record. To minimise the warming signal, we will use the simplest method for calculating a global temperature average - the CRU method, which is known to yield poor coverage at high latitudes and hence underestimate recent warming. Further, we'll assume that entirety of the data adjustments are wrong (ignoring proven bias corrections such as TOB). If we calculate land temperature averages from both the raw and adjusted data, we can see how much difference the adjustments make. The result is shown in the figure below (red and green lines).

In fact the adjustments make very little difference anyway.

I wouldnt say a doubling of temp in US is insignificant. He is looking at just the US. Apparently the best temp data in the world where records are concerned.

This is significant and the data so poor, it needs this type of going over.

The convergence of airport temps from non-airport temps shows there is still a UHI in place.

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