abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:



That's a strawman argument Abu.
The fact is that you would like to have Sharia law in Australia
& you know that women would be stoned to death for having a root.
That would mean that about 99.9% of all woman in Australia would have to be stoned to death.

Perhaps Abu is a misogynist who hates women?
Abu - are you gay?

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:46pm:


Your assumption is wrong Abu... I'm not here often enough to know who's who in the zoo... so to speak.

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I find it safer to assume that the person simply does not understand and that if I want that person to understand, I should find another way of expressing myself... Quite often, I will ask questions to try and discover what it is that isn't getting through.

If after treating the situation with due consideration the person proves themselves obnoxious... and not in fact curious to know more... and usually you can gauge that by their comments... such as... "I don't click links" or "that article is too big to read"... then I just play with them, since they are up for game playing only.

What I don't do, is assume the worst of that person without evidence to back that up... that would be prejudice.

Now, could you recommend a decent Muslim forum that is not closed to a curious but respectful and exceedingly on topic, objective mind?

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:


Sure, www.aussiemuslims.com

Are you still banned from there Abu?

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:


The punishment for apostasy and adultery are not found in the Quran despite the Quran claiming Islam has been perfected in sura 5:3

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Abu if Islam was perfected as Allah claims in the Quran why is there no mention of the punishment for apostasy or adultery in the Quran,If Islam had been perfected why did Allah leave these important bits out then claim Islam had been perfected?

632- Mohammad dies
655- Text of Quran is finalised
870- Bukhari collects and classifies hadiths

So there is no punishment for apostasy/adultery in the Quran we have to look at books that in the case of Sahih al Bukhari were made over 215 years after the Quran was finalised to find the punishments despite the Quran claiming Islam had been perfected


Abu if Islam was perfected as the Quran claims then why do muslims need the hadiths which were writen hundreds of years later  ?

freediver wrote on Sep 10^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:



No FD,
It's more like the Inquisition -
you have to find evil & then kill it.

We did it for 600 years in the western countries -
it's still going on in Islamic countries but by another name.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:


The Qur'an does not contain every minute detail of every single law and punishment. Many things were given a general ruling in the Qur'an, and their fine details were expounded upon by Muhammad (pbuh) himself. And those witnessing and recording what he did and said were the first transmitters of hadith. The compilation of al-Bukhari's book of hadith may have not been finalised until that year, but the hadiths were certainly reported and transmitted prior to this time. There is an unbroken authentic chain of narration for all of the hadiths he collected and included in his work.

Compare this with any other body of religious texts, and we find none of them even come remotely close to having been as accurately transmitted and recorded as this. For instance the Jewish Old Testament does not contain texts recorded within the lifetimes of any of the people it mentions. The New Testament does not contain a single valid link to the time or place of Jesus (pbuh). We don't even know for sure the first names (let alone family history, as is known with hadith transmitters) of any one of the supposed authors of the New Testament.

This is just a fact of the technology level of the time. How you can pretend to present it as an argument against Islam is beyond me.