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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #420 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 7:59pm abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 7:54pm: No, it's a human response to persistently irrelevant questioning. I apologise. I had no idea that I was being irrelevant. I shall leave you in peace then... and thank you for tolerating my irrelevance for as long as you did.
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Reply #422 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

Abu,
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Adultery is a crime under Islamic law, and a capital one at that.

Hi Abu,
OK - so you agree with stoning a woman to death?

Abu - that is bronze age savagery - just admit it.

Notice that Abu ignores me after I uncovered his deletion of Nail's post
with a video portaying the reality of stoning a woman to death.

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Reply #423 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

I'd rather hear from Abu himself what he thinks of this particular application of Islam and if he is against it, what he does to protest against it.

Adultery is a crime under Islamic law, and a capital one at that. What I find wrong with the video is that it appears to be not a lawful conviction and sentence, but a vigilante slaying, which I definitely disagree with. This kind of event is a symptom of a tribalistic and lawless society that's lived for decades under foreign warmongering and occupation. Me (or anyone else for that matter) protesting against such an act would be a waste of time. Protest against the conditions that cause such a situation to exist. Cure the cause and the symptoms will disappear.

What are you doing to protest against the vast multitude of injustices being carried out all throughout the Western world? Do you even know about them? Do you agree with them?

These kinds of questions emanate from a mind that is not the least bit interested in a sincere resolution for said people, but instead is interested only in de-legitimising their opposition in an argument.

Come on mate !!

Now you're blaming foreign invasion for indoctrinating your people with barbaric islamic religious teachings. A bit of a long bow eh Cheesy

LOL

Mate you come right out of a comic book Cheesy

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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #424 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm: Notice that Abu ignores me... Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant. Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120968 Melbourne Gender:	Re: does Abu want Shariah law for Australia? Reply #425 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:42pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 11:20pm: More Islamic law for Abu. No reply on this one either from Abu.
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Reply #426 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:44pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Notice that Abu ignores me...

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

I don't know - are you a Muslim?
Your avatar would tend to say no. Grin

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Reply #427 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:48pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Notice that Abu ignores me...

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

why would you want to be respectful when there is nothing to respect ?

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Reply #428 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:44pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Notice that Abu ignores me...

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

I don't know - are you a Muslim?
Your avatar would tend to say no. Grin

Should it matter if I am Muslim or not? Surely it is better to know if I am seeking to understand or disrupt this sub forum's subject matter.

Are there any other Muslims on this forum that I could speak with?

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Reply #429 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:15pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

I'd rather hear from Abu himself what he thinks of this particular application of Islam and if he is against it, what he does to protest against it.

Adultery is a crime under Islamic law, and a capital one at that. What I find wrong with the video is that it appears to be not a lawful conviction and sentence, but a vigilante slaying, which I definitely disagree with.

It 'appears to be an unlawful conviction'! What does that mean Abu? What differences in appearance exist between a lawful and unlawful conviction and sentence is the religion of Islam?

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This kind of event is a symptom of a tribalistic and lawless society that's lived for decades under foreign warmongering and occupation.

I'm confused Abu. Certainly they are tribal, but lawless? Looks to me like they are applying the Law of Allah which is more powerful and significant for the followers of Islam than any mere 'rule of law' applied by The State.

Abu's problem is that they did not fill out the appropriate paperwork before stoning her to death. It was disorderly. Also, they didn't bury her up to her neck to prevent anyone being tempted should the unfortunate situation arise where the stones intended to kill her tear her clothing instead.

Under Islam, the law of the state and the law of Islam are the same thing. Any differentiation between the two leads to Muslims no longer being responsible for their own actions, which leads to unfortunate situations like the one above where they don't do the appropriate paperwork.

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Reply #430 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:23pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

I did not state you are irrelevant, just the persistence with which you kept re-asking the same thing. I made it quite clear my opinion.

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Reply #431 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:23pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

I did not state you are irrelevant, just the persistence with which you kept re-asking the same thing. I made it quite clear my opinion.

On your sub forum I am nothing more than a series of questions seeking answers that increase my understanding of Islam.

Now, is there another Muslim on this sub forum who will submit to my questions with respect and tolerance and an appreciation of my desire to understand... even if that means asking the same question in a wealth of different ways because my understanding is insufficient?

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Reply #432 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:34pm

FD,
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Abu's problem is that they did not fill out the appropriate paperwork before stoning her to death.
It was disorderly. Also, they didn't bury her up to her neck to prevent anyone being tempted should the unfortunate situation arise where the stones intended to kill her tear her clothing instead.

Under Islam, the law of the state and the law of Islam are the same thing. Any differentiation between the two leads to Muslims no longer being responsible for their own actions, which leads to unfortunate situations like the one above where they don't do the appropriate paperwork.

Good point FD.
Abu totally avoids the morality of murdering a poor woman in such a horrific way.

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Reply #433 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:37pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:44pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Notice that Abu ignores me...

Hmmm.... and I am irrelevant.

Are there any other Muslims on this board Bobby who don't mind being questioned respectfully about their faith?

I don't know - are you a Muslim?
Your avatar would tend to say no. Grin

Should it matter if I am Muslim or not? Surely it is better to know if I am seeking to understand or disrupt this sub forum's subject matter.

Are there any other Muslims on this forum that I could speak with?

There are only a few towel heads here - sorry I don't know their names.

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Reply #434 - Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:46pm

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

On your sub forum I am nothing more than a series of questions seeking answers that increase my understanding of Islam.

Now, is there another Muslim on this sub forum who will submit to my questions with respect and tolerance and an appreciation of my desire to understand... even if that means asking the same question in a wealth of different ways because my understanding is insufficient?

I think you're well aware I'm the only Muslim here.

Don't you think it's disrespectful to keep asking the same question?

Personally I don't do it. But that's just me. I consider it a sign of insincerity in the questioner. Almost puts you down on the same level as someone like fd.

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