Big Dave wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 6:26pm:


Come on, we both know you hate Muslims & Islam. That description you gave is your appraisal of Muslims & Islam. You just aren't man enough to admit to what you believe, lest you be labelled for the bigot you are. At least some of your fellow haters here are a bit more honest with themselves.

3 Muslim countries have had a female PM long before Australia ever got theirs through a party coup (ie. not elected by the people).

I've never said there are no Muslim countries. There is no Islamic state, for sure, but there's plenty of Muslim countries, about 50 odd actually. And he was talking about Muslim countries, and clearly they had female PMs long before Australia ever got lumped with one.

Yes, 11 years AFTER having finished serving her second term as Prime Minister.

She was not serving in office when assassinated.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:



A Muslim is an adherent of Islam. A country full of Muslims is an Islamic country.

Except that Islam is not like democracy or secularism, or even Christianity (separation of church and state).  A country with a majority Muslim population is Islamic to the degree Muslims are in a majority.  Coz Muslim=Islam and Islam=Muslim. There is no residue in Islam that is not required of all Muslim and there is nothing in a Muslim that is not of Islam.

So you don't need to try to bvllshit anyone with what you think is clever argument but which is easily recognised by everyone else as a Muslim trying to be too clever by half.

You can't present as a literalist Muslim and a smart man at the same time. It's a paradox.

soren,

The simple fact is most Muslim countries do not base their ideology on Islam whatsoever. They make a few token Islamic gestures to subdue the masses, that's about all. In their day to day rulings, they usually contradict Islam immensely.

SOB,

That's a pretty shallow view you have there. I have a friend for instance, who is a quantum physicist, and is a very strong believing Muslim, and further, he was not born into a Muslim family either, so he didn't just adopt it by default as "cultural baggage". He was born into a Hindu family, and only when he was studying in the "liberal West" did he come across Islam and embrace it. I assure you, he is a very intellectual person, and he does not need to engage in any kind of mental acrobatics to reconcile his faith with his intelligence.

I think your view of religion, like many Westerners, is skewed by the 2000~ year experience of Christianity. That's not a very intellectual approach if you ask me.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 7:00am:



Why call them 'Muslim countries' then?

Wanting it both ways, as usual?