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Re: Noted global warming skeptic changes his mind
Reply #15 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:40pm
 
Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:35pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:29pm:
Upton Sinclair wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 11:15pm:
Just an update to clarify the original idea I had about Muller trolling the bugger out of the deniers

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/members/Upton_Sinclair/Dr.RichardMuller_1.jpg

It would have to be peer-reviewed you fool. You might think everyone is stupid with your usual lefty BS. No-one would say 'whatever you produce' unless you are taking it out of context, as they could have produced a piece of dog shi.., oh thats right, they did and now v2 redone dog shi.. of v1.


The angrier you get, the more incoherent you become.

May I ask what draws you to debating by way of the written word when you struggle so much at expressing your opinions and emotions with anything even approaching a basic level of competency?  Shocked

I dont take stupid people like you into consideration. Maybe I should.
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Reply #16 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:25am
 
namnugenot wrote on Aug 1st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Sooner or later everyone gets dementia!


Why would you say that? Not everyone gets it - have you got early onset?

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Reply #17 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:49am
 
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #18 - Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:35pm
 
Seems there is more from a peer-reviewer of Muller dog shi.. data. He has broken the code in talking about it.


the method used to attribute the warming to human emissions is way over-simplistic. I don’t think this question can be answered by the simple curve fitting used in this paper, and I don’t see that their paper adds anything to our understanding of the recent warming


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http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/worst-of-the-best-peer-reviewer-breaks...
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 2:56am
 
I think our progs is starting to appreciate the value of the peer review process.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:02am
 
I just find it amusing to think anybody could believe that an economist could conduct a peer review on a paper on physics - or that the comments of amateur bloggers, and a  retired radio announcer who just happened to read the weather, such as Antony Watts meets the criteria of a peer review process.

I start to see new significance in Carl Sagan's quote, but I don't relish the prospect that one of my submissions on Environmental Science may one day be "peer reviewed" by a taxi driver, or perhaps in these days of idiocracy, it will be "Peer Review" brought to you by Ronald MacDonald.   

This has well and truly passed the peer review process for surrealism.

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Reply #21 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 6:24am
 
muso wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:02am:
I just find it amusing to think anybody could believe that an economist could conduct a peer review on a paper on physics - or that the comments of amateur bloggers, and a  retired radio announcer who just happened to read the weather, such as Antony Watts meets the criteria of a peer review process.

I start to see new significance in Carl Sagan's quote, but I don't relish the prospect that one of my submissions on Environmental Science may one day be "peer reviewed" by a taxi driver, or perhaps in these days of idiocracy, it will be "Peer Review" brought to you by Ronald MacDonald.   

This has well and truly passed the peer review process for surrealism.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VIje7QuxPIo/SwJjTwFzT7I/AAAAAAAAAJQ/PF9qX51rF3U/s1600/...

Good enough for Flannery to tell us what the environment is doing and we must pay taxes.

You would have to ask the peer-reviewer process on why they choose who they do and the paper still has not been perr-reviewed, so he must be right.
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Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:42am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 5:35pm:
Seems there is more from a peer-reviewer of Muller dog shi.. data. He has broken the code in talking about it.


the method used to attribute the warming to human emissions is way over-simplistic. I don’t think this question can be answered by the simple curve fitting used in this paper, and I don’t see that their paper adds anything to our understanding of the recent warming


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http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/worst-of-the-best-peer-reviewer-breaks...



I still fail to see how an economists peer review of scientific research is relivant.

I would question how he even qualifies as a peer?
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Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
MOTR wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:49am:


That looks very hockey-stick to me.
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Reply #24 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:13pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:49am:


That looks very hockey-stick to me.

By design
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Reply #25 - Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:17pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 9:42am:
I still fail to see how an economists peer review of scientific research is relivant.

I would question how he even qualifies as a peer?


Lord Christopher Monckton could be qualified to "peer" review anything I guess.  Grin
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Reply #26 - Aug 5th, 2012 at 12:16pm
 
From Gavin Schmidt at RC

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Let the games begin!

4 August 2012

I picked a good weekend to be out of cell phone range and unconnected to the internet – and judging from how the rest of the week has gone, I’d have been minded to stay there…

As most readers are probably aware, there was an op-ed in the Saturday New York Times from Richard Muller announcing the Berkeley Earth team’s latest results. It was odd enough that a scientific paper was announced via an op-ed, rather than a press release, odder still that the paper was only being submitted and had not actually been accepted, and most odd of all was the framing – a ‘converted skeptic’ being convinced by his studies that the planet has indeed warmed and that human activity is the cause – which as Mike and Ken Caldiera pointed out has been known for almost 2 decades.

Not wanting to be upstaged, plenty of ‘unconverted skeptics’ – including Anthony Watts and Ross McKitrick decided to stage dramatic press events and release barbs of their own. This was followed by a general piling on of commenters and bloggers trying to spin the events in their preferred direction combined with plenty of cluelessness in the general media about exactly who these people are (no-one special), what earth-shattering discovery had been made (none) and what it all means (not a lot).

The ‘best’ response to this circus is to sit back and see how pretzel-like the logical justifications can become. I particularly like the recent twist to the “No true scotsman” post-hoc rationalisation. Since the ‘converted skeptic’/prodigal scientist meme is a very powerful framing for the media, the obvious riposte for the ‘skeptics’ is to declare that Muller was not a true skeptic. But since these terms have become meaningless in terms of any specific position, this ends up as a semantic argument that convinces no-one but the faithful.

The actual trigger for all this hoopla is the deadline for papers that can be cited in the Second Order Draft of the new IPCC report. They needed to have been submitted to a journal by Tuesday (31 July) to qualify. Of course, they also need to be interesting, relevant and known to the IPCC lead authors. But there seems to be far too much emphasis being put on this deadline. The AR5 report is pretty much 90% written, and the broad outlines have been known for ages. Very few of the papers that have been submitted this week are anything other than minor steps forward and only a small number will be accorded anything other than a brief mention in AR5, and most not even that.

Furthermore, once the SOD is finalised (Aug 10), Tuesday’s deadline becomes moot, and the only thing that matters for the final report is whether papers are accepted by March 2013. (In a spirit of full disclosure, I should mention that I was working on a couple of papers with an eye to making this deadline, but in the end decided it was preferable to take the time to do a good job on the papers than to submit something shoddy).

The only worthwhile substance to any of this is the work that has mostly been done by Robert Rohde on the Berkeley Earth code and database as we’ve noted previously – and once this weeks drama has faded into the distance overshadowed by some new blog-storm, this work will still be a useful advance.

But still the games go on. Senate hearings are one of the longest running games of political theatre going – where the Senators pretend to listen to the panelists and the panelists pretend that this is an efficient way to inform policymakers. This week’s was little different from the ones in the past – some earnest submissions from the mainstream, and a cherry-pickers delight of misinformation from the Republican invitee, John Christy, who even quoted the woefully inept first draft of the Watts paper as if it meant something.

To confuse the metaphor even further, Roger Pielke Sr loudly declared that whatever the results of the Watts paper it will end up being a game changer:

[indent]The TOB effect could result in a confirmation of the Watts et al conclusion, or a confirmation (from a skeptical source) that siting quality does not matter. In either case, this is still a game changing study.[/indent]

If only people would change the games they play…

My inclination is just to sit back and watch the spectacle, admire the logic-defying leaps, marvel at the super-human feats of hubris and, in two weeks time, remark on how little actually changed
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Reply #27 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 12:55am
 
A good listen to AGW loons speaking with Muller. Some here that would be exactly the same as the AGW loons on this mp3, might learn something or atleast get angry  Grin
http://bradblog.com/audio/GreenFront_RichardMuller_080112.mp3
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Reply #28 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:25am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:49am:


That looks very hockey-stick to me.

By design


I see your tin foil hat is back on.   Doesnt it get hot under there ?
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Reply #29 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:53am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:25am:
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 5:13pm:
Doctor Jolly wrote on Aug 3rd, 2012 at 3:22pm:
MOTR wrote on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 4:49am:


That looks very hockey-stick to me.

By design


I see your tin foil hat is back on.   Doesnt it get hot under there ?

Someone has to keep the idealogues honest with all this data manipulation.

Pure man-made warming via data manipulation.
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