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The verdict is in: Global warming is real
Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:41pm
 
Prominent climate-change denier now admits he was wrong

By NEELA BANERJEE
Tribune Washington Bureau


Published: Sunday, Jul. 29, 2012 - 1:00 am


WASHINGTON - The verdict is in: Global warming is real and greenhouse-gas emissions from human activity are the main cause.

This, according to Richard A. Muller, professor of physics at the University of California, Berkely, a MacArthur fellow and co-founder of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of other climatologists around the world came to such conclusions years ago, but the difference now is the source: Muller is a long-standing, colorful critic of prevailing climate science, and the Berkeley project was heavily funded by the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, which, along with its libertarian petrochemical billionaire founder Charles G. Koch, has a considerable history of backing groups that deny climate change.

  • I concluded that global warming was real


  • prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct
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  • Humans are almost entirely the cause



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Re: The verdict is in: Global warming is real
Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2012 at 10:15pm
 
Poor ol Muller

The truth about Muller - "I was never a skeptic"
http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/06/truth-about-richard-muller.html

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BERKELEY EARTH STUDY REFEREE REPORTS: On September 8 2011 I was asked by Journal of Geophysical Research to be a reviewer for a paper by Charlotte Wickham et al. presenting the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature ("BEST") analysis of the effect of urbanization on land surface temperatures. This work is mainly associated with Richard Muller and his various coauthors.  I submitted my review just before the end of September 2011, outlining what I saw were serious shortcomings in their methods and arguing that their analysis does not establish valid grounds for the conclusions they assert. I suggested the authors be asked to undertake a major revision.
   In October 2011, despite the papers not being accepted, Richard Muller launched a major international publicity blitz announcing the results of the "BEST" project. I wrote to him and his coauthor Judy Curry objecting to the promotional initiative since the critical comments of people like me were locked up under confidentiality rules, and the papers had not been accepted for publication. Richard stated that he felt there was no alternative since the studies would be picked up by the press anyway. Later, when the journal turned the paper down and asked for major revisions, I sought permission from Richard to release my review. He requested that I post it without indicating I was a reviewer for JGR. Since that was not feasible I simply kept it confidential.
   On March 8 2012 I was asked by JGR to review a revised version of the Wickham et al. paper. I submitted my review at the end of March. The authors had made very few changes and had not addressed any of the methodological problems, so I recommended the paper not be published. I do not know what the journal's decision was, but it is 4 months later and I can find no evidence on the BEST website that this or any other BEST project paper has been accepted for publication.
   On July 29 2012 Richard Muller launched another publicity blitz (e.g. here and here) claiming, among other things, that "In our papers we demonstrate that none of these potentially troublesome effects [including those related to urbanization and land surface changes] unduly biased our conclusions." Their failure to provide a proper demonstration of this point had led me to recommend against publishing their paper. This places me in an awkward position since I made an undertaking to JGR to respect the confidentiality of the peer review process, but I have reason to believe Muller et al.'s analysis does not support the conclusions he is now asserting in the press.
   I take the journal peer review process seriously and I dislike being placed in the position of having to break a commitment I made to JGR, but the "BEST" team's decision to launch another publicity blitz effectively nullifies any right they might have had to confidentiality in this matter. So I am herewith releasing my referee reports. The first, from September 2011, is here and the second, from March 2012 is here.

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Re: The verdict is in: Global warming is real
Reply #2 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:31am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 30th, 2012 at 10:15pm:
Poor ol Muller

The truth about Muller - "I was never a skeptic"
http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/06/truth-about-richard-muller.html




Why would an economist do a peer review on a scientists work? Ross is an economist.

The truth about Muller - "I was never a skeptic"

An economist saying that a scientist was never a skeptic? The facts tell a very different story.


Muller

Quote:
"Temperature has been rising over the last 100 years. That's pretty clear. How much is due to varying solar activity and how much due to humans is a scientific issue that we're trying to address."


Muller
31 March 2011
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"claims that global warming has harmed the Earth so far are not scientific"




Muller 24 March 2011
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"A quote came out of the emails, these leaked emails, that said "let's use Mike's trick to hide the decline". That's the words, "let's use Mike's trick to hide the decline". Mike is Michael Mann, said "hey, trick just means mathematical trick. That's all." My response is I'm not worried about the word trick. I'm worried about the decline."




Muller 19 March 2011
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"What we know is when it gets warmer carbon dioxide leaves the oceans. When it gets cooler it goes back in. It dissolves better. So carbon dioxide is a result of climate change not a driver of climate change in that period. You can even see this in the delay because when it warms up it takes 800 years before the carbon dioxide comes back out. There's a slight delay that Al Gore never talks about. That old linkage is simply junk science."



Muller
19 March 2011
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"80 percent or 90 percent of what's in Inconvenient Truth is wrong or exaggerated or cherry picked."


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Re: The verdict is in: Global warming is real
Reply #3 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:36am
 
Muller was a non believer who pointed out where he believed the errors were in the surface tempurature model.

He got funding from a very significant funder of enything denying climate change - one of the big carbon dioxide producing billionairs and conducted his own study with the same raw data using methods he believed would correct the earlier mistakes.

His results were virtually identical to the original studies but he also found a link showing that it is definatly human generated.
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Reply #4 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:47am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:36am:
Muller was a non believer who pointed out where he believed the errors were in the surface tempurature model.

He got funding from a very significant funder of enything denying climate change - one of the big carbon dioxide producing billionairs and conducted his own study with the same raw data using methods he believed would correct the earlier mistakes.

His results were virtually identical to the original studies but he also found a link showing that it is definatly human generated.

There was no non-believing in what have put up.

At best, he has always been a believer in co2, but as a lot of people, skeptical in the science that is trying to prove it.
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Reply #5 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 11:14am
 
Lets see the rusted-on-deniers try and spin their way out of this one.

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Reply #6 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 11:33am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 11:14am:
Lets see the rusted-on-deniers try and spin their way out of this one.

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One what?
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Reply #7 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 3:45pm
 
PROGS CAN'T LOOK HIS KIDS IN THE EYE!!  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 5:21pm
 
So let me get this straight. Despite being lauded BY the deniers previous to the results coming in, now that the results are in they must be suspect because Muller isn't ideologically pure enough so his results must be dismissed?

This really is an eye-opening glimpse into the pathological psychology that drives denier logic. They kind of remind me of New Left Marxists from the 1960's, everything has to be viewed through the prism of ideology and anything that conflicts must be shouted down.

Or even more, they remind of religious fanatics, which is ironic considering that trying to compare science with religion is exactly the kind of narrative they, in a consumate display of projecting their own failings onto others, like to engage in.
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Reply #9 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 7:00pm
 
Upton Sinclair wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 5:21pm:
So let me get this straight. Despite being lauded BY the deniers previous to the results coming in, now that the results are in they must be suspect because Muller isn't ideologically pure enough so his results must be dismissed?

This really is an eye-opening glimpse into the pathological psychology that drives denier logic. They kind of remind me of New Left Marxists from the 1960's, everything has to be viewed through the prism of ideology and anything that conflicts must be shouted down.

Or even more, they remind of religious fanatics, which is ironic considering that trying to compare science with religion is exactly the kind of narrative they, in a consumate display of projecting their own failings onto others, like to engage in.

Why must his results be dismissed. You would have to ask the peer-review system why they will not pass best v1 and as has been said by you, you will need to wait for peer-review.

He was never a skeptic of co2, so I dont see how he has changed from one side to another.
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Reply #10 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 7:19pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 7:00pm:
Upton Sinclair wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 5:21pm:
So let me get this straight. Despite being lauded BY the deniers previous to the results coming in, now that the results are in they must be suspect because Muller isn't ideologically pure enough so his results must be dismissed?

This really is an eye-opening glimpse into the pathological psychology that drives denier logic. They kind of remind me of New Left Marxists from the 1960's, everything has to be viewed through the prism of ideology and anything that conflicts must be shouted down.

Or even more, they remind of religious fanatics, which is ironic considering that trying to compare science with religion is exactly the kind of narrative they, in a consumate display of projecting their own failings onto others, like to engage in.

Why must his results be dismissed. You would have to ask the peer-review system why they will not pass best v1 and as has been said by you, you will need to wait for peer-review.

He was never a skeptic of co2, so I dont see how he has changed from one side to another.

progs can't look his kids in the eye!!
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Reply #11 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
First Bjorn Lomborg then Richard Muller. Who will be next? Roy Spencer? The more rabid denialists have already had a swipe at him. It wouldn't surprise me.

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I worry that, especially as the Millennium edges nearer, pseudo-science and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before? Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us-then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls. The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.
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Hopefully we have seen the worst of it.
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Reply #12 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 8:41pm
 
What did Lomborg do?
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Reply #13 - Jul 31st, 2012 at 8:50pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 8:41pm:
What did Lomborg do?



He changed his mind a couple of years ago. The last I heard, he called for a worldwide carbon tax.

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We actually have only one option: we all need to start seriously focusing, right now, on the most effective ways to fix global warming
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Reply #14 - Aug 1st, 2012 at 5:41am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 31st, 2012 at 10:31am:
The truth about Muller - "I was never a skeptic"

An economist saying that a scientist was never a skeptic?

An economist isn't saying it Muller is (check the link),

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"I was never a skeptic" - Richard Muller, 2011

"If Al Gore reaches more people and convinces the world that global warming is real, even if he does it through exaggeration and distortion - which he does, but he’s very effective at it - then let him fly any plane he wants."
- Richard Muller, 2008

"There is a consensus that global warming is real. ...it’s going to get much, much worse." - Richard Muller, 2008

"Let me be clear. My own reading of the literature and study of paleoclimate suggests strongly that carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels will prove to be the greatest pollutant of human history. It is likely to have severe and detrimental effects on global climate." - Richard Muller, 2003
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