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Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election
Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:05pm

I watched 7.30 last night and Julia was very impressive. She demonstrated her clear passion for standing up for the lower and working class, and spoke very well and effectively. When the election approaches, most Australins will come to see that the Coalition have no policies and no vision. All they want is power, and a return to extreme policies like work choices. Meanwhile, Labor and the Greens will stand up for those who do it tough. The choice will be clear. 12 months is a very long time in politics. They have plenty of time.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election Reply #1 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:19pm Yes of course GreenLight, it most certainly is possible. Labor could very well win the 2013 election.
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Reply #3 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:21pm

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

I watched 7.30 last night and Julia was very impressive. She demonstrated her clear passion for standing up for the lower and working class, and spoke very well and effectively. When the election approaches, most Australins will come to see that the Coalition have no policies and no vision.

You think that matters? The majority of voters make decisions based on what they read/view in the media.

And the media want you to think this country's going down the drain - this sells.

It's got to be a first: a government thrown out of office with low unemployment, low interest rates, no big foreign wars. Julia will be thrown out simply because people don't trust her.

Mind you, they don't trust Abbott either, but they see him as the worse of two evils. Personally, I can't remember an election that has been faught on such a fickle agenda - and where the choices are as stark as they are now. I might even vote Labor for the first time - they're pretty much a minority party.

Still, it's hardly an election. The Governor General might as well announce a Liberal government now. Labor have no chance of getting in whatsoever.

Democracy is a myth. Abbott will be the next PM. As far as the corrupt unions and the carbon tax fixes and the shonky Labor spin go, I can't think of a worse path for this country to go in than an Abbott-led government.

Possible path, that is. Fascism and communism are not really on the agenda.

But Abbott is.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election Reply #4 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:41pm Not a first at all. Howard was thrown out with low interest rates, low unemployment, large budget surplus, and an economy that was stronger than it is now.
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Guildford Gold Member Offline It's Only Me Posts: 500 SE Victoria Gender:	Re: Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election Reply #5 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:44pm I watched 7.30 last night Along with 5% of Australians. However I would expect nothing else from you. I will admit her style is changing, but speaking in a more controlled and quiet manner doesn't make swinging voters suddenly show trust.
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Reply #6 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:48pm

Guildford wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

I watched 7.30 last night

Along with 5% of Australians.

However I would expect nothing else from you. I will admit her style is changing, but speaking in a more controlled and quiet manner doesn't make swinging voters suddenly show trust.

5% indeed, most of which would be school teachers and public servants.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election Reply #7 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:49pm They don't have a chance ATM Their chance will come when Liberals release policy. However that will be as late as possible with the least amount of supporting information possible. After all you can't have an informed electorate, you might not win.
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Reply #8 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

They don't have a chance ATM
Their chance will come when Liberals release policy.
However that will be as late as possible with the least amount of supporting information possible.

After all you can't have an informed electorate, you might not win.

The Coalitions policies will be fully costed by the newly-established Parliamentary Budget Office.

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Reply #9 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

They don't have a chance ATM
Their chance will come when Liberals release policy.
However that will be as late as possible with the least amount of supporting information possible.

After all you can't have an informed electorate, you might not win.

The Coalitions policies will be fully costed by the newly-established Parliamentary Budget Office.

What the one they refuse to use now or the one they create after gaining office?
Do you think they'll employ any WA accountants?

Quote:

Federal parliament has begun debating the merits of a new independent unit which would cost election promises and policies for all parliamentarians.

But one of the more controversial aspects of the Gillard Government’s bill for a Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) – making all costings immediately public – is being hotly contested,

with Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey introducing a private members' bill to keep costings secret during the election period.

Mr Hockey has said the Opposition would not use the PBO unless the rules were changed.

http://theconversation.edu.au/costing-the-promises-what-is-a-parliamentary-budge...

Your blind faith is quite touching if not a little naive.

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Reply #10 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Sorry Smithy, your news is a bit old. This is more up-to-date:

JOURNALIST:
The government is about to announce, apparently, the Parliamentary Budget Office. Can you give us a sense of what use you would make of that and what limitations you would put on it?

JOE HOCKEY:
We will make use of it. We actually had a large number of proposed amendments to the Parliamentary Budget Office legislation. I thought they were amendments that were very worthwhile and maybe one day Labor will be in opposition and they will really regret they didn't support those amendments, I would suspect. But we will work with the Parliamentary Budget Office through the framework that I've outlined. We will send policies where it is appropriate to the Parliamentary Budget Office and ask them to provide advice on it. We're very keen to find out who the key personnel are and if they are independent and honourable people then we will use that Parliamentary Budget Office as a very positive initiative.

http://www.joehockey.com/media/transcripts/details.aspx?s=336

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Reply #11 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:13pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sorry Smithy, your news is a bit old. This is more up-to-date:

JOURNALIST:
The government is about to announce, apparently, the Parliamentary Budget Office. Can you give us a sense of what use you would make of that and what limitations you would put on it?

JOE HOCKEY:
We will make use of it. We actually had a large number of proposed amendments to the Parliamentary Budget Office legislation. I thought they were amendments that were very worthwhile and maybe one day Labor will be in opposition and they will really regret they didn't support those amendments, I would suspect. But we will work with the Parliamentary Budget Office through the framework that I've outlined. We will send policies where it is appropriate to the Parliamentary Budget Office and ask them to provide advice on it. We're very keen to find out who the key personnel are and if they are independent and honourable people then we will use that Parliamentary Budget Office as a very positive initiative.

http://www.joehockey.com/media/transcripts/details.aspx?s=336

So did he get his PM bill through or not.
Will costing be released or not during the campaign, & if not what's the point of it?

Who determines whether a policy is appropiate?

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Reply #12 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:15pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sorry Smithy, your news is a bit old. This is more up-to-date:

JOURNALIST:
The government is about to announce, apparently, the Parliamentary Budget Office. Can you give us a sense of what use you would make of that and what limitations you would put on it?

JOE HOCKEY:
We will make use of it. We actually had a large number of proposed amendments to the Parliamentary Budget Office legislation. I thought they were amendments that were very worthwhile and maybe one day Labor will be in opposition and they will really regret they didn't support those amendments, I would suspect. But we will work with the Parliamentary Budget Office through the framework that I've outlined. We will send policies where it is appropriate to the Parliamentary Budget Office and ask them to provide advice on it. We're very keen to find out who the key personnel are and if they are independent and honourable people then we will use that Parliamentary Budget Office as a very positive initiative.

http://www.joehockey.com/media/transcripts/details.aspx?s=336

So did he get his PM bill through or not.
Will costing be released or not during the campaign, & if not what's the point of it?

No, the PM Bill wasn't supported by the Government.

As Mr Hockey said, they will make use the Parliamentary Budget Office to cost their policies.

I'm sure Labor will be putting their policies to the PBO, it would be very silly for the Liberals not to do the same.

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Don't be surprised if Labor wins the next election Reply #13 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:29pm Prediction going by this thread. At the next election, we will be introducted to, none other than The new, new, neeewwwww Julair Gillard give her a round of applause. No I said applause, not eggs.
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Reply #14 - Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:30pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

Sorry Smithy, your news is a bit old. This is more up-to-date:

JOURNALIST:
The government is about to announce, apparently, the Parliamentary Budget Office. Can you give us a sense of what use you would make of that and what limitations you would put on it?

JOE HOCKEY:
We will make use of it. We actually had a large number of proposed amendments to the Parliamentary Budget Office legislation. I thought they were amendments that were very worthwhile and maybe one day Labor will be in opposition and they will really regret they didn't support those amendments, I would suspect. But we will work with the Parliamentary Budget Office through the framework that I've outlined. We will send policies where it is appropriate to the Parliamentary Budget Office and ask them to provide advice on it. We're very keen to find out who the key personnel are and if they are independent and honourable people then we will use that Parliamentary Budget Office as a very positive initiative.

http://www.joehockey.com/media/transcripts/details.aspx?s=336

So did he get his PM bill through or not.
Will costing be released or not during the campaign, & if not what's the point of it?

No, the PM Bill wasn't supported by the Government.

As Mr Hockey said, they will make use the Parliamentary Budget Office to cost their policies.

I'm sure Labor will be putting their policies to the PBO, it would be very silly for the Liberals not to do the same.

They didn't last time & that was under the model Howard created.
Who knows, Liberals aren't serious about this country if they were Abbott would not be leading & 3/4 of his Shadow ministry would still be speaking at KKK meetings(where they belong) instead of parliament.

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