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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Why denialism is in decline in the US Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:23am
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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #1 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:21am It's called weather.
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Prevailing Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7169 Stop Men	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #2 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:24am The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #3 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:08pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:21am: It's called weather. YOU DON'T KNOW DIDDLY! THE ANTI-CYCLONES OFF ANTARCTICA HAVE BEEN CHANGING FOR YEARS!! -->THEY NO LONGER REACH INTO THE COUNTRY LIKE THEY USED TO AND RAINFALL FIGURES PAINT A VERY SCARY STORY!!!
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Reply #4 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.

YOU also DON'T KNOW DIDDLY!

THE ANTI-CYCLONES OFF ANTARCTICA HAVE BEEN CHANGING FOR YEARS!!

-->THEY NO LONGER REACH INTO THE COUNTRY LIKE THEY USED TO AND RAINFALL FIGURES PAINT A VERY SCARY STORY!!!

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Reply #5 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:34pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.

These are not one off extreme weather events. They are record highs relative to record lows. How about next time you spend a little intellectual capital and read the graphs.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #6 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:37pm LOL The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #7 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:38pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 8:21am: It's called weather. If it was weather, you'd expect a distribution similar to the 1950s. An increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates a climate shift.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #8 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:42pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:37pm: LOL The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation. What does record high mean?
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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #9 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:48pm But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s?? The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #10 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:49pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:48pm: But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s?? The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now. According to who?
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Reply #11 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:51pm

Here's another way to look at it. Each of the 13 months from June 2011 through June 2012 ranked among the warmest third of their historical distribution for the first time in the 1895-present record. The odds of this occurring randomly are 1 in 1.6 million.

Can you name one published climate scientist who is prepared to say the planet isn't warming.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #12 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice - no denying that.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #13 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:08pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm: The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice - no denying that. I bet you can't even quantify that. Of course it has warmed since the last ice age. What is your point.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53411 At my desk.	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #14 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:42pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm: The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice - no denying that. It was cooling a few decades ago.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:40pm MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:08pm: Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm: The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice - no denying that. I bet you can't even quantify that. Of course it has warmed since the last ice age. What is your point. Warming phase der.
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Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:35am

The denialists have a consistent pattern of picking two points, drawing a straight line between them, and saying that represents the entire pattern of temperature change. We see it all the time with their 'frost this morning, therefor no global warming' type arguments. Quite often this is literal - they give you two dates from the last decade, two temperatures and say that is the trend, but if you plot the data they were taking from the trend is always the opposite. That sort of BS simply cannot stand up to any sort of scrutiny. Eventually they get sick of looking like complete idiots. That is why denialism is on the decline.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #17 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:10pm Note south eastern USA where the drought is.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:53pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:10pm: Note south eastern USA where the drought is.http://www.geology.wmich.edu/kominz/c9.lanina.gif Might be useful if we were experiencing a La Nina event. And there is little relief in sight.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #19 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:48pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:37pm: LOL The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation. Shane B knows nothing about 'natural' variation!
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #20 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:49pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:48pm: But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s?? The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now. Where??
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Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:40pm:

Warming phase der.

Caused by what? You can't jut hand-wave away all trends since the 1800's on the basis that it is some 'natural' (read: magical) recovery from the LIA. Global temperature only changes in response to something that changes within the system. The changes that resulted in the LIA are well understood, low solar activity combined with high volcanic activity, both those forcings 'recovered' in the early days of the 20th century. As solar input increased and volcanic aerosols declined the temperature increased correspondingly. But in the 1970's, temperatures diverged from the influences that resulted in the LIA and the subsequent recovery. That divergence can only be explained by the observable increase in the greenhouse effect.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #22 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm: progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming. Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:10pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm: progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming. Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M Progs doesn't believe El Niño or La Nina events either.
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Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:

progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M

Progs doesn't believe El Niño or La Nina events either.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #26 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #27 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm: So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record. Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.
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Reply #28 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Watch the video, progs. Are you honestly telling us you don't understand the point that is being made.

Do you honestly believe the next significant El Niño event won't deliver record high temperatures.

I've shown you what the trend looks like minus the short term forcings, yet you still pretend not to follow.

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Reply #29 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

;progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Wow just wow. Grin

I bet you believe that too, that is the sad reality of letting morons express opinion.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #30 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:44pm Prevailing wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:24am: The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology. Western Australia has had the driest and sunniest July on record.
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #31 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:46pm [quote author=1B2029262D170A480 link=1342725823/9#9 date=1342784901]But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s?? The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now. [/quote OH LOL sorry prog, you just lost your moron of the day award,clearly dumbassed by the matty sock, what a pisser matty, lol lol.
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Reply #32 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

;progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Wow just wow. Grin

I bet you believe that too, that is the sad reality of letting morons express opinion.

lol good one skip. I dont have to believe it, you dont have to believe it either. It just is.

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Reply #33 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Watch the video, progs. Are you honestly telling us you don't understand the point that is being made.

Do you honestly believe the next significant El Niño event won't deliver record high temperatures.

I've shown you what the trend looks like minus the short term forcings, yet you still pretend not to follow.

http://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/2012/global_adjusted_temp.png

Departure from homogenized data. 0.4 degrees over a century is not an issue. How much of that is from CO2 as in the other thread.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #34 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm I see about 0.5 over the last 30 odd years. Would that be insignificant?
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #35 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 7:45pm MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 5:15pm: I see about 0.5 over the last 30 odd years. Would that be insignificant? Peer-reviewed paper says an actual 0.4 rather than 0.7 over the century because of a bad bias in homogenized data. 0.4 it is.
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Reply #36 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:11pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

So what you are really saying is, frost this morning, therefore no global warming?

Do you believe that warming only occurs while the record highs are being set and it is decreasing at every other point in time?

Did you ever learn to fit a trend line to measured data in school?

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Departure from homogenized data. 0.4 degrees over a century is not an issue. How much of that is from CO2 as in the other thread.

Progs you will look less silly if you actually look at the graph before commenting on it.

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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #37 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:23pm MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:23am: http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/record-high-chart.jpg I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #38 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:34pm The pride you take in your ignorance is kind of disturbing. Can you explain how the increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates something other than a climate shift.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #39 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:09pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:23pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:23am: http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/record-high-chart.jpg I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet. chickenlips can't look his kids in the eye!!
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Reply #40 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:12pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:23am:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/record-high-chart.jpg

I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet.

chickenlips can't look his kids in the eye!!

Now here's a man who wears his red crash helmet daily.
And I know your not employed as a crash test dummy are you. Grin

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Reply #41 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:16pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 8:34pm:

The pride you take in your ignorance is kind of disturbing. Can you explain how the increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates something other than a climate shift.

Ask me in two hundred years eh.
Your 50 years of weather changes means nothing in the greater scheme of things, and never did.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53411 At my desk.	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #42 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:46pm It means a lot to the people who will be living through the next 50 years.
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Reply #43 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:46pm:

It means a lot to the people who will be living through the next 50 years.

Yes, many look to the weather to give them the excuse for their daily gripe.
It's too hot.
It's too cold.
It's rains too much.
I wish it would rain.
I don't like the wind.
I wish it would snow.
I hate snow.
I've heard it all freediver.
The only constant is that weather does change.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53411 At my desk.	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #44 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:58pm You left out "my house just got washed away". Whinge whinge whinge.
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #45 - Jul 30^th, 2012 at 10:02pm freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2012 at 9:58pm: You left out "my house just got washed away". Whinge whinge whinge. And the "My volcanic islands sinking". Along with the "My house blew away".
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