Australian Politics Forum - Why denialism is in decline in the US

progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:40pm MOTR wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 10:08pm: Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:58pm: The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice - no denying that. I bet you can't even quantify that. Of course it has warmed since the last ice age. What is your point. Warming phase der.
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Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 7:35am

The denialists have a consistent pattern of picking two points, drawing a straight line between them, and saying that represents the entire pattern of temperature change. We see it all the time with their 'frost this morning, therefor no global warming' type arguments. Quite often this is literal - they give you two dates from the last decade, two temperatures and say that is the trend, but if you plot the data they were taking from the trend is always the opposite. That sort of BS simply cannot stand up to any sort of scrutiny. Eventually they get sick of looking like complete idiots. That is why denialism is on the decline.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #17 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:10pm Note south eastern USA where the drought is.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:53pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 12:10pm: Note south eastern USA where the drought is.http://www.geology.wmich.edu/kominz/c9.lanina.gif Might be useful if we were experiencing a La Nina event. And there is little relief in sight.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #19 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:48pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:37pm: LOL The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation. Shane B knows nothing about 'natural' variation!
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #20 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 4:49pm Shane B wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:48pm: But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s?? The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now. Where??
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Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:40pm:

Warming phase der.

Caused by what? You can't jut hand-wave away all trends since the 1800's on the basis that it is some 'natural' (read: magical) recovery from the LIA. Global temperature only changes in response to something that changes within the system. The changes that resulted in the LIA are well understood, low solar activity combined with high volcanic activity, both those forcings 'recovered' in the early days of the 20th century. As solar input increased and volcanic aerosols declined the temperature increased correspondingly. But in the 1970's, temperatures diverged from the influences that resulted in the LIA and the subsequent recovery. That divergence can only be explained by the observable increase in the greenhouse effect.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #22 - Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm: progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming. Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:10pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm: MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm: progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming. Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M Progs doesn't believe El Niño or La Nina events either.
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Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:

progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M

Progs doesn't believe El Niño or La Nina events either.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #26 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US Reply #27 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm: So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record. Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.
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Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Reply #28 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Watch the video, progs. Are you honestly telling us you don't understand the point that is being made.

Do you honestly believe the next significant El Niño event won't deliver record high temperatures.

I've shown you what the trend looks like minus the short term forcings, yet you still pretend not to follow.

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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Reply #29 - Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

;progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niño event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Wow just wow. Grin

I bet you believe that too, that is the sad reality of letting morons express opinion.

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