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Reply #300 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 7:36pm

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:35am:

I speak for myself, alone.... and for those who cannot speaK FOR THEMSELVES.!

If they cannot speak for themselves, how the hell did they ask you to speak for them, you self-serving goose.

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no doubt your tiny mind has difficulty with this concept, but not everyone is facile with language, altho they think deeply. Not talking about speech-impaired sssilly.Well ..not nec. but I do represent a significant segment of the pop... like it or not. AND NO - I don't refer to any gender related issues. Honk.

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Reply #301 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:56pm

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 7:36pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:35am:

I speak for myself, alone.... and for those who cannot speaK FOR THEMSELVES.!

If they cannot speak for themselves, how the hell did they ask you to speak for them, you self-serving goose.

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no doubt your tiny mind has difficulty with this concept, but not everyone is facile with language, altho they think deeply. Not talking about speech-impaired sssilly.Well ..not nec. but I do represent a significant segment of the pop... like it or not. AND NO - I don't refer to any gender related issues. Honk.

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So, is there some sign language? Or secret handshake? Nudge, nudge? Wink, wink? Message in the bottle (!) Cheesy

Or what? How do you know you speak for the ones who do not speak for themselves?

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Reply #302 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:58pm

FriYAY wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

How many times do I have to tell you dam morons I’m not Lib/Nat, I’m not ALP, I’m not Greens.

Neither am I. But I seem to get the leftie/labor label. You get the libbo label. It's the cross we have to bear.

As for the people smashed into rocks - the ONLY way to stop that is to stop them getting into boats in the first place. Now there are two approaches to achieve that:

take away any hope of resettlement should they arrive on a boat. That's the libbo mantra. Except that it doesn't really stop them getting into boats, it only stops them getting into boats bound for Australia
Resettle them before they get to the point that they're willing to risk everything they have including their lives in boats

Now option 1 either means people keep just keep drowning (only we don't have to hear about them) or else they sit in squalid camps until they rot (and we don't hear about them). Option 2 actually achieves something worthwhile.

I know which option I choose. I'm not yet clear on which one you choose.

I know I lean right, it is obvious, but I would never vote for an Abbott led Lib’s. The other half is Greens all the way, FFS I was sitting there nodding along with dam Milne the other day! Shocked

1. Yes we should ensure those paying people smugglers are not resettled. As for the bold bit, they are going to do that anyway. (Why did you have to say libbo mantra – again? Tell me what the Malaysia swap solution is intended to do if not stop people getting into boats?)
2. Yes we should do more of that. But it is not enough, it needs the tough measures as above to stop the people smuggling trade.

There are 50 million displaced people world wide, that number will only increase.

All these are stopgap measures for a problem that will explode into a catastrophic disaster IMO. 100’s of millions will die because no one will want them and their countries can’t sustain them (do to environmental restrictions leading famine and disease, local environment degradation, wars etc).

Too many people on this planet, that’s the big problem.

Oh blind one;

ISLAM is the solution, to that problem.

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"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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London, moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslem really are.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Moslems, teaching their children the basics, about ISLAMIC values [London]

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Reply #303 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

Gist wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

How many?

You're not able to actually come out and say it are you? Here, I'll spoon feed you, just c&p the following:

"I don't give a sh!t if they all drown. As long as the feckin' wogs don't come here!"

C'mon... you KNOW that's what you really want to say.

Yeah, turn them back, sink the ones that don't turn. Light a bonfire, drink their blood, whatever.

How many would you resettle?

May as well go for every last one. That'll fix it.

Thank you. As stupid as expected.

As you were (ie carry on like a looney).

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Reply #304 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

So, is there some sign language? Or secret handshake? Nudge, nudge? Wink, wink? Message in the bottle (!)
Or what? How do you know you speak for the ones who do not speak for themselves?

Gosh u r smart Soren. I'm dazzled. Cheesy

Not.

Who do you speak for? other than your self.? Anyone at all.? No?

How do I know?
You ask a question - the answer to which, is way too much for this forum. Plus.. I need not attempt ..in any way whatsoever .. to justify, or explain my position, not to you, or any other dwad.

Why don't YOU know.? Cool

Oh wise sockhead.??

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Reply #305 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:33pm

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

So Soren Have you thought about what I have said??

I don't think you want to hear things like that eh?

Much rather follow the mob of populism. Which ever swing of the pendulum you choose.

Was thinking about Fahrenheit 451 last night... how desperately those powers that were.. sought to deny truth and history by burning all those books.

Vonnegut had a grip on a real idea ... and yet now technology has made the premise redundant.

Today ...we are much more malleable... much shorter in concentration and lacking knowledge of our past. But we have access to knowledge like never before in human history.
The problem???

Most of us are too ignorant to take advantage.

LOL

Exactly so.

Got a mirror close by ?

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Truth is a philosophy, not a reality. Sad

How can truth be a reality, for a person who chooses to continually reject truth's 'common-sense' ?

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What do i mean by that ?

A.
If we see a problem, if we CAUSE a problem, but if we then always refuse to acknowledge our part in the creation of that problem, then we are rejecting truth.

And truth is not in us. i.e. "Truth....is not a reality."

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Reply #306 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:55pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

There are many people who pretend to be refugees and are not refugees at all.

The purpose of the policy that Australia must have is to keep this people out.

Exactly.

Iranians and Pakistanis travel from Teheran, Lahore, Islamabad to Christmas Island in one week. Not desperate refugees.

Iranians and Pakistanis ISLAMISTS one and all, travel from Teheran, Lahore, Islamabad to Christmas Island in one week.

Why so, ISLAMISTS ???

Any person who declares, "I am a moslem."
, in so doing, is declaring to be an ISLAMIST.

That is what moslems are!!

A REAL moslem, is an ISLAMIST.

THE TRUTH IS, THAT.....

There is no 'nice' ISLAM.

And there are no 'moderate', or 'nice' moslems.

Duh!

HEY, ALL OF YOU THICK HEADS!!!.....

A moslem ["Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."
], is a moslem.

Period.

'THICK HEAD' = = A 'slow' person.

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Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
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Reply #308 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:04pm

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:22pm:

Plus.. I need not attempt ..in any way whatsoever .. to justify, or explain my position, not to you, or any other dwad.

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:35am:

I speak for myself, alone.... and for those who cannot speaK FOR THEMSELVES.!

?were you going to say something DWAD?

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Reply #309 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:07pm

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Concentrate on Indonesia.

Request, require, INSIST,,,

that Indonesia watches its borders much more carefully. INSIST.
And back it with naval ships along the 'trade route' at their borders.

They are the enablers. IS that CLEARER. ??

Not perhaps a very diplomatic approach -- BUT .. its the only real approach to take.

That 'solution' is not practical.

We cannot [and we should not] force Indonesia to do anything.

The problem is ours, the solution [if WE want a solution] must also be ours.

So, what can WE do, to discourage, or stop the boats these illegal immigrants ???

Duh ?

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Reply #310 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:12pm

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 10:22pm:

Plus.. I need not attempt ..in any way whatsoever .. to justify, or explain my position, not to you, or any other dwad.

Emma wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 12:35am:

I speak for myself, alone.... and for those who cannot speaK FOR THEMSELVES.!

?were you going to say something DWAD?

I need not attempt ..in any way whatsoever .. to justify, or explain my position, not to you, or any other dwad.

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Reply #311 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

There are many people who pretend to be refugees and are not refugees at all.

The purpose of the policy that Australia must have is to keep this people out.

Exactly.

Iranians and Pakistanis travel from Teheran, Lahore, Islamabad to Christmas Island in one week. Not desperate refugees.

Correct.
You have to make some strong decisions.

In Israel we make the decision to ignore the UN Convention and not process any refugees at the border who come through neutral countries.

The UN is not the overall law on this.

Aussies need to understand this.

You do not have to do anything because the UN says.

Avram,

Exactly so.

Q.
Is Australia a sovereign nation ?

Dictionary;
sovereignty = =
1 supreme power or authority. the authority of a state to govern itself or another state.
2 a self-governing state.

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Reply #313 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:23pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm:

Q.

Is Australia a sovereign nation ?

Dictionary;
sovereignty = =
1 supreme power or authority. the authority of a state to govern itself or another state.
2 a self-governing state.

Or, is Australia, has Australia chosen [have the people of Australia chosen], to surrender their sovereignty, and live in 'submission', to another authority ???

WAKE UP, Australia !!!

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Reply #314 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:28pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

Emma wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Concentrate on Indonesia.

Request, require, INSIST,,,

that Indonesia watches its borders much more carefully. INSIST.
And back it with naval ships along the 'trade route' at their borders.

They are the enablers. IS that CLEARER. ??

Not perhaps a very diplomatic approach -- BUT .. its the only real approach to take.

That 'solution' is not practical.

We cannot [and we should not] force Indonesia to do anything.

The problem is ours, the solution [if WE want a solution] must also be ours.

So, what can WE do, to discourage, or stop the boats these illegal immigrants ???

Duh ?

OK OK OK
I have spent too much time at this keyboard explaining, much earlier in the debate,, maybe even on Yahoo,, what my preferred solution is . I was called, in effect a Nazi.
No probs there, I know what I mean.. and it is hard for me to re iterate my view, as such a world-wide problem DOES NOT HAVE a one sentence answer.!!!

For now...... ' how would i discourage or stop the boats' is a ridiculous preposition. I would not choose to take such retrograde negative actions. Simple.

I would .... resettle these people in a place in Australia, purpose-built, with positve intent, so that they have dignity and ultimately self-determinism, and opportunities to work, achieve and become solid citizens, whilst contributing significantly to all our futures.

We have a huge country, with massive resources, .. but apparently not enough people to max this.
The solution is staring us in the face.

I 've had enough of this for now.

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