Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am:



If they want to be our enemies, we should deal with the as enemies not as friends whose grievances we haven't accommodated yet.

If they start hostilities, we should bomb them. Forget building  their country for them. They should build their own country. But if they'd rather be hostile to the West, and shelter terrorists who harm us, we should deal with them.

Look at the krauts. They needed to be told until they understood. Now they are great friends.

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:


And if they want to be 'our' friend? What should 'we' do?



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If we start hostilities what should they do?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:



Drones are a bit pissy. Just playing smack-a-mole.
WWI lasted 4 years. WWII 6. Afghanistan 10 years and going, because of pissing about with drones and hearts and minds and building roads and all that nonsense.

It would have been better to carpet bomb them for 6 months and then tell them they can have whatever government they want but if they do something silly again, like shelter terrorists, the bombing will resume and will last for 12 months.
Repeat until desired consistency is achieved.
Let them have a bit of self-determination, I say. The burden of responsibility, innit. Hanging's too good for 'em.

And the same with the Persians and Pakis and all the rest.

eazy e be pimpin, man

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 3:29pm:


I'm not sure that you understand the purpose of all that p!ssing about, old boy.

You carpet bomb so you can put your men on the ground.

You win hearts and minds so that the local population doesn't try to kill your men on the ground.

You put your men on the ground to achieve your military objectives.

If you don't have an objective, forget all the above. You'll fail.

Common sense, innit.

Carpet bombing is designed to shock populations. You Germans invented it and called it blitzkrieg. The Americans had the opportunity to test the effect of sustained carpet bombing on the population of Vietnam. They found that contrary to prior military thinking, it does not destroy local morale or bring an enemy population around. Instead, populations adapt and look to their leaders for security and support.

Britain in WWII is the best example of this: "we will never surrender".

If your military objective is to counter insurgency, carpet bombing will not succeed. Terrorism? Forget about it. You'll only create more terrorists.

Basically, there is no tried and tested technique to erradicate insurgency and counter guerilla warfare. The US is the biggest military power the world has ever seen. They have the best and brightest strategists, the best bombs, the sharpest shooters and the smartest special forces. And they can't counter insurgency. What to do?

Go back to your objectives - what exactly are you trying to achieve?

The problem with your "solution" is that you are repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results. "Repeating until desired consistency is achieved" is typical old boy problem-solving. It's the sort of dulled-down, alcohol-related brain damaged thinking old boys are experts in. It has never worked, and it never will.

It ends, of course, in armageddon. Mutually Assured Destruction. Don't forget, we Pakis have the bomb. Why do you think Hilary Clinton is always so nice to us, p!ssing about with drones and hearts and minds and building roads and all that nonsense?

You love a nice military solution, old chap, but you have a lot to learn about the military - not to mention solutions.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:



Germany - unconditional surrender.
Japan - unconditional surrender.

Killing them until they know they have lost is the only way to win a war. Otherwise they think you are a chicken and will bide their time.


(Salvatore, you talk too much sh!t, out of both corners of your mouth. )

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:



Sure. You are so right. History is full of the glories of successful guerrilla tactics by ragtag resistance fighters.

The Australian Aborigines fought a very successful guerrilla war against the British invaders and sent them packing in a very short time. Same with the North and South American Indians - ragtag, strike like lightning and melt into thin air. Legendary. Now they have a very successful country, self-government, peace and harmony. And where are the dastardly invaders? Forgotten! In the dustbin of history.

Well, done Salvatore. As you always say, penitenziagite! Watch out for the draco who cometh in futurum to gnaw on your anima! La mort e supremos! You contemplata me apocalypsum, eh? La bas! Nous avon il diabolo! Ugly cum Salvatore, eh? My little brother! Penitenziagite!
Beautifully put, Salvatore. All languages and none.

Carry on.

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So it had nothing to do with calling for the deportation of people who disagree with her?

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Let's start with deporting people who who are intolerant of other people's intolerance, in the name of tolerance. You are such an extremist supporter of tolerance that you have become intolerant of both intolerance and the intolerance of intolerance.

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Aren't their 19 of them in jail in Australia for terrorism? Do they count?

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Only if the two sides are equally matched, which is hardly the case now. The two world wars came a lot closer, but the goodies won then too.

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I think he is complaining that people don't do it.