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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103303	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #286 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:10am You blacks aren't allowed to use that word. That's our word.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #287 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:13am the r word is OUR word, nobody else can say it but us
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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #288 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:16am

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I see a need to ascertain a persons reading skills before expecting them to follow the instructions. What do you see?

A proxy IQ test that is very useful despite the obvious cultural bias.

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Yanks just try too hard. You like all your t's crossed and your i's dotted and end up with a shambles.

So actually thinking about the issue and studying it methodically is a bad thing?

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But people really do have more commonsense than you give them credit for. They know their own limitations. You don't need the screen of an IQ test to stop the great unwashed trying out for brain surgeon.

They may know their own limitations, but do you ever see a politician standing up and admitting he is simply too stupid for the job? They have to be knocked back. Do job applicants ever admit to being underqualified? They will overplay their own ability up to the point that it becomes a waste of time because they don't have a chance anyway.

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You don't need the screen of an IQ test to stop the great unwashed trying out for brain surgeon.

What do you think OP scores are? You need an OP 1 to get into medicine. This is a good thing. Without it, idiots would try to become brain surgeons.

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Not many squaddies try out for the SAS, but an IQ test isn't on the menu.

It would be if they suddenly had to recruit a few thousand more for jobs requiring technical skills and flexibility.

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Whales are smacking stupid. All they have ever produced is a load of other whales. Do you call that intelligent?

If dolphins are so clever, why do they get caught in fishing nets?

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and both lost wars against ragged soldier-farmers in backward "failed states"

It took the US about 2 days to win each of the 'current' wars from a traditional military perspective. The only thing they might lose at is the reconstruction effort. It is hard to see that as a loss on the part of the US. It seems more like an odd sort of anti-US spin from people who haven't stopped to think about what is at stake. The US is actually trying to leave.

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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #289 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:16am:

[quote]I see a need to ascertain a persons reading skills before expecting them to follow the instructions. What do you see?

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A proxy IQ test that is very useful despite the obvious cultural bias.

No.no,no,no,no,no. Grin

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Yanks just try too hard. You like all your t's crossed and your i's dotted and end up with a shambles.

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So actually thinking about the issue and studying it methodically is a bad thing?

There are things too complex, even for your contemplations to produce a domino effect FD.

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But people really do have more commonsense than you give them credit for. They know their own limitations. You don't need the screen of an IQ test to stop the great unwashed trying out for brain surgeon.

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They may know their own limitations, but do you ever see a politician standing up and admitting he is simply too stupid for the job? They have to be knocked back. Do job applicants ever admit to being underqualified? They will overplay their own ability up to the point that it becomes a waste of time because they don't have a chance anyway.

Will you decide who is the stupid one from a RW or LW viewpoint? Personally, as an Anarchist, I think they've all found sanctuary in an asylum.

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You don't need the screen of an IQ test to stop the great unwashed trying out for brain surgeon.

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What do you think OP scores are? You need an OP 1 to get into medicine. This is a good thing. Without it, idiots would try to become brain surgeons.

Hey!! You mean I can get into medicine posting here? I didn't even know I was being scored LoL.

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Not many squaddies try out for the SAS, but an IQ test isn't on the menu.

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It would be if they suddenly had to recruit a few thousand more for jobs requiring technical skills and flexibility.

Why? Look, Op scores, (which are not IQ tests)ain't perfect, but they're better than IQ tests.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #290 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:44pm Quote: If dolphins are so clever, why do they get caught in fishing nets? If people are so clever how come they walk into lamposts?
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #291 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:46pm i think if you redefine a word you can make it mean anything you want.
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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #292 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:46pm

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There are things too complex, even for your contemplations to produce a domino effect FD.

You have stopped making sense Grey.

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Why? Look, Op scores, (which are not IQ tests)ain't perfect, but they're better than IQ tests.

What if you don't have OP scores, but you still have to decide who will get the job?

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #293 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:48pm did you watch this video, grey? it neatly and cleverly avoids any sort of controversy surrounding the word 'intelligence' by making it irrelevant to the whole issue. well played.
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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #294 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:03pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

[quote]There are things too complex, even for your contemplations to produce a domino effect FD.

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You have stopped making sense Grey.

No I haven't. The point of planning is to produce a domino effect, ( you line things up right, push the first - and Hey Presto!)

Now we accept that the fluttering of a butterflies wings in Alice Springs can result in a hurricane in Florida. (If you don't google 'butterfly effect', to see what Im talking about). But you try flapping a butterfly in Alice to cause that effect in Florida and people in white coats will take you away.

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Why? Look, Op scores, (which are not IQ tests)ain't perfect, but they're better than IQ tests.

What if you don't have OP scores, but you still have to decide who will get the job?

What do you suggest? Take children at age 2, give then an IQ test and then brand them and allocate their job on a where needed basis? That's really the IQ test bottom line.

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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #295 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:23pm

[quote author=624A57694657270 link=1341618700/293#293 date=1342237703]did you watch this video, grey? it neatly and cleverly avoids any sort of controversy surrounding the word 'intelligence' by making it irrelevant to the whole issue. well played.

I watched 6 minutes, I'm not convinced but I'll watch the rest later, trying for 'objective'

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #296 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:44pm Quote: What do you suggest? Take children at age 2, give then an IQ test and then brand them and allocate their job on a where needed basis? That's really the IQ test bottom line. False dichotomy. We don't have to choose between misuse of IQ tests and no use.
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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103303	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #297 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:55pm JC Denton wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:13am: the r word is OUR word, nobody else can say it but us The r word. I'll have to watch my language around you, Imperium. I wouldn't want to offend anyone.
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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #298 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:20pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

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What do you suggest? Take children at age 2, give then an IQ test and then brand them and allocate their job on a where needed basis? That's really the IQ test bottom line.

False dichotomy. We don't have to choose between misuse of IQ tests and no use.

well you introduced the pretty absurd notion of 'what would we do without an OP'. Which is tantamount to what would we do without an education system. I don't think you can reduce human intelligence to a number produced by a test. But I wouldn't want it done in anycase because it's effective branding.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53257 At my desk.	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #299 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 9:22pm So you disapprove because it is effective? Should job interviews also be done away with because you can get the wrong end of the stick in those too? Should the applicants have to work for 6 months at the job and prove aptitude before being hired?
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