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Reply #255 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:20pm
 
you have to be a serviceman to begin with to join the SAS.

to join the british army in the first place you have to pass the British Army Recruit Battery, which is most likely heavily g-loaded. a psychometric battery that isn't g-loaded rarely possesses much predictive validity, unless it si a personality index but using them for personnel selection is highly problematic since anybody can just lie on them.

i'll see if i can dig around for figures for you right now Smiley

as for the rest of your post, come on man i get the impression a bit that you're rationalising.

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Reply #256 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:42pm
 
iq tests are useful. all around the world, educational, government, military and industrial bodies capitalise on their, or their proxies, predictive value. by doing so, unnecessary deaths are prevented, miseries are mitigated, the thin veneer of social class is allowed to be penetrated so that the gifted are uncovered and nurtured, people's individual strengths and weaknessees can be identified so that they can be assisted, waste is reduced, time is saved, and so on. they do not deserve, and have never deserved, the defamation that has been heaped upon them by the anti-iq idelogues, both from the right and the left.

their theoretical value however, abounds. the breakthroughs that have been made, and the ideas that have been proposed and formulated, by men such as thomas j bouchard, charles spearman, francis galton and ian j deary, revolving around these tests has truly expanded our knowledge of the mechanics of the brain, the limitations of our ability to influence society, the relationship and complex interplay between genetics and our environments (both biological and cultural) have made iq testing, leaving aside their extensive practical applications a genuinely worthwhile human endeavour. the quality of mainstream intellectual discourse suffers dramatically by refusing to take on board the discoveries and ideas of the psychometricians and the behavioral geneticists (not even necessarily the hereditarians - lets keep them out of the picture for the moment).

without these wonderful tests, we're just wading in the depths of the dimly lit bogs of the tabula rasa. what a shame - and a terrible bore to boot.

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iq testing aint nothin but a g-thing, homies. Cool
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Reply #257 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:44pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:24am:
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf

why g matters: the complexity of everyday life

excerpt:

World War II offers an early demonstration. During a period when it had to
train many thousands of pilots, the military experimented with admitting to pilot
training inductees of all ability levels (Matarazzo, 1972, p. 163). Of men in the
top stanine of the experimental selection battery, which included abilities and motivation measured at induction, 95% successfully completed training, whereas
only 20% of those in the lowest stanine did so. Subsequent military research has
consistently shown that highly g-loaded measures such as the Armed Forces Qualifying
Test (AFQT) and its forerunners, although not always conceptualized as
measures of g, are good measures of “trainability’‘-hence their long-time use in
screening for enlistment and assignment to training programs. More recent work,
such as Army Project A (McHenry et al., 1990), has carefully demonstrated the
validity of such measures for predicting job performance itself in military specialties.

Additional evidence of the causal importance of g is provided by the many unsuccessful
efforts to eliminate or short-circuit its functional link (correlation) with
job proficiency. For example, there have been efforts to train the general cognitive
skills that g naturally provides and that jobs require-such as general reading
comprehension (which is important for using work manuals, interpreting instructions,
and the like). Another approach has been to provide extra instruction or
experience to very low-aptitude individuals so that they have more time to master
job content. Both reflect what might be termed the training hypothesis, which is
that, with sufficient instruction, low-aptitude individuals can be trained to perform
as well as high-aptitude individuals. The armed services have devoted much research
to such efforts, partly because they periodically have had to induct large
numbers of very low-aptitude recruits. Even the most optimistic observers (Sticht,
1975; Sticht, Armstrong, Hickey, & Caylor, 1987) have concluded that such training
fails to improve general skills and, at most, increases the number of lowaptitude
men who perform at minimally acceptable levels, mostly in lower level jobs.


Not even lengthy experience (5 years) eliminates differences in overall job
performance between more and less bright men (Schmidt et al., 1988). A large
study of military cooks, repairmen, supply specialists, and armor crewmen showed
that performance may converge on simpler and oft-performed tasks (Vineberg &
Taylor, 1972, p. 55-57). However, even that limited convergence took considerable
time, reflecting large differences in trainability. It took men in the 10th to 30th
percentiles of ability about 12 to 24 months to catch up with the performance levels
on those tasks that were exhibited by men above the 30th percentile with no more
than 3 months’ experience on the job. These findings from field settings are consistent
with Ackerman’s (1987) review of the experimental literature relating skill
learning and ability: individual differences in performance do not decrease with
practice, and sometimes increase, when tasks are characterized by “predominantly
inconsistent or varied information processing requirements .” In short, tasks that are
not easily routinized continue to call forth g.


This G sounds like a marvellous phenomenon, Imperium.

They must have put it to good use in Vietnam, no?
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Reply #258 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
probably. maybe people in america just had enough g to figure out the whole thing was a waste of time so they protested nixon to bring the troops home!
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Reply #259 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:27pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:46pm:
probably. maybe people in america just had enough g to figure out the whole thing was a waste of time so they protested nixon to bring the troops home!


Now that would be rebelling against your own culture, Imperium. That's forbidden.

The Vietnam war exposes the problems with the whole Fordist agenda you're trying to sell. Have you ever seen the documentary, the Fog of War?

Robert McNamara was tasked with modernising the US military after WWII. It was all about computer modelling, testing, training, efficiency, targets, and - of course - technology. On paper, the US should have won the war.

The next big reforms came under Donald Rumsfeld. By this stage, the US military was the biggest power in history. Nothing could, or can, rival it. Rumsfeld reformed the military's command structure. He also took the efficiency drive to the free market, and privatised many of the military's operations. Haliburton and Blackwater, if you remember, were two companies that did pretty well out of the tenders.

Rumsfeld and McNamara were the two most influential US defence secretaries in the modern era. Two modernists, both with spreadsheets, models and the sort of data only the biggest bureaucracy in the world could muster, and both lost wars against ragged soldier-farmers in backward "failed states".

That's G for you.
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Reply #260 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:30pm
 
i forgot about that. protesting against the vietnam war - ppft.. you may as well have just come out in favour of the reds like the closet, focauldian marxist-leninist you are.
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Reply #261 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
Sorry?
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Reply #262 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:36pm
 
i meant to quote this part of your post to specifically respond to it:

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Now that would be rebelling against your own culture, Imperium. That's forbidden.
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Reply #263 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Grey wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:04am:
Are whales less or more intelligent than humans? How to ascertain this objectively?




Whales are smacking stupid. All they have ever produced is a load of other whales. Do you call that intelligent?

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Reply #264 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:42pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
i meant to quote this part of your post to specifically respond to it:

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Now that would be rebelling against your own culture, Imperium. That's forbidden.


Ah. Perhaps sir would like to comment on the rest of the post.
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Reply #265 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
sounds like a strategic failure. unless amerikka was really willing to slog it out (or engage in hardcore roman tactics) in vietnam, which it claerly wasn't, i dont think iq testing or any sort of improvement to efficiencywould have been enough to have won that war. do these things actually help, though? i doubt they'd use them if they didn't.

as far as i know the u.s army has been employing iq tests since ww1.
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Reply #266 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:30pm:
i forgot about that. protesting against the vietnam war - ppft.. you may as well have just come out in favour of the reds like the closet, focauldian marxist-leninist you are.


Alas, back then, I was too young. But I'll leave coming out in favour of the reds to companies like Nike, who do very well out of the Vietnamese labour force, thank you.
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Reply #267 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:49pm
 
duno, coral sea would know about what went wrong in vietnam pretty in depth. hes touched on it before.

ill ask him and maybe we can get a guest appearence.
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Reply #268 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:55pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
sounds like a strategic failure. unless amerikka was really willing to slog it out (or engage in hardcore roman tactics) in vietnam, which it claerly wasn't, i dont think iq testing or any sort of improvement to efficiencywould have been enough to have won that war. do these things actually help, though? i doubt they'd use them if they didn't.

as far as i know the u.s army has been employing iq tests since ww1.


You may well be right. I wonder what the Taliban's stance on IQ testing is - not to mention achieving maximum efficiency, enhancing productivity and streamlining performance targets and G quotas into the new millenium and beyond.
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Reply #269 - Jul 13th, 2012 at 3:00pm
 
its probably easier to fight wars than your enemy, even without luxuries such as iq screening practices and equipment designed and constructed in the past 20 years, if you're willing to suspend scruples as much as humanely possible. not that the u.s army is exactly an ethical paragon, itself.
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