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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #15 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:05am Whats wrong with modern communism? We can see old style regressive communism in north korea where it sucks and modern progressive communism in china where it is leading the world.
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Reply #16 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:12am

adelcrow wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Whats wrong with modern communism?
We can see old style regressive communism in north korea where it sucks and modern progressive communism in china where it is leading the world.

Leading the world in what. Government sanctioned murder or incarceration or?

communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

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Reply #17 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:16am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Whats wrong with modern communism?
We can see old style regressive communism in north korea where it sucks and modern progressive communism in china where it is leading the world.

Leading the world in what. Government sanctioned murder or incarceration or?

I have no problem with anyone trying to bring down a countries economy or govt being tortured and jailed..or fed to the crocs.
I'd quite look forward to seeing Tony marched off to prison and a televised trial

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Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 11:16am

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

This independentaustralia website is obviously a front for labor left and can be ignored with impunity.

Denise Allen was a former State Labor MP for Benalla

The Telegraph and Australian Newspapers and Ray Hadley and Allen Jones are front for the racist liberal party.

Allen Jones has stood for the Liberal Party in elections and also stood for pre election for the liberals he was also speech writer for Malcom Fraser and John Mason.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s551929.htm

I bet anything you want that you didn't even read the article or watch any of the videos or click on any of the links in the article progs. You put your first post up 3 mintues after i posted it so you wouldn't of had time to read it.

If you don't like the truth that is not my worry progs live in your own little world and say you are not racist but you don't want people from the Middle East to come here as aslyum seekers

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Reply #19 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 12:42pm

I almost always have a good old chuckle about this sort of crappola. The whole argument is fraught with the difficulties of elitism in the extreme.

Extreme because the generators of this hysterical banter are usually full of existential angst and self-hatred so that entering into any sort of dialogue is akin to agreeing to a session in co-counseling.

One good example of the sort of moron that likes to engage in this mental flip flopping is the host of the recent doco-drama Drunk Dumb or Racist. . This idiot uses the most banal and childish arguments to uphold his simple ideological argument so as to make pauline hanson seem positively genius like in presenting the diametric viewpoint. What a complete an utter moron. As well he has the comedic timing of a complete fawn that makes my skin crawl and causes me to feel embarrassed to consider that he is an australian. Well I think he is Australian. I keep hearing him refer to Australians as "they" and "those" and "them" australians.

Which is another point worth mentioning. New immigrants (and their recently born progeny) to Oz seem hell bent on creating as much mileage of their new found citizenship (in oft cases it is simply residency rather than citizenship) by leveraging loud belligerent Australian - "nonaustralians" to tell us how bloody "racist" we are.

The same strategy is used by muslim proselytizers, they come here in the hope of attaining a better, richer more opportunity laden lifestyle - one that has been established through a christian democracy - and then they go about subverting the established culture to better suit their own beliefs and cultures, which is the chief causative antagonistic reason for the degeneration and decline in their own civilisation.

It is a curious circumstance where a "person" that suffers a malady feels that the cure is found by infecting others that do not suffer the same disease................. Cheesy

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Reply #20 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Dooley wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

One good example of the sort of moron that likes to engage in this mental flip flopping is the host of the recent doco-drama Drunk Dumb or Racist. . This idiot uses the most banal and childish arguments to uphold his simple ideological argument so as to make pauline hanson seem positively genius like in presenting the diametric viewpoint. What a complete an utter moron. As well he has the comedic timing of a complete fawn that makes my skin crawl and causes me to feel embarrassed to consider that he is an australian. Well I think he is Australian. I keep hearing him refer to Australians as "they" and "those" and "them" australians.

A Jew by the name of Joe hildebrand.

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Reply #21 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

falah wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Dooley wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

One good example of the sort of moron that likes to engage in this mental flip flopping is the host of the recent doco-drama Drunk Dumb or Racist. . This idiot uses the most banal and childish arguments to uphold his simple ideological argument so as to make pauline hanson seem positively genius like in presenting the diametric viewpoint. What a complete an utter moron. As well he has the comedic timing of a complete fawn that makes my skin crawl and causes me to feel embarrassed to consider that he is an australian. Well I think he is Australian. I keep hearing him refer to Australians as "they" and "those" and "them" australians.

A Jew by the name of Joe hildebrand.

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In true Falah style you manage to skip the rest of Dooley's viewpoint

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Reply #22 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Dooley wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

I almost always have a good old chuckle about this sort of crappola. The whole argument is fraught with the difficulties of elitism in the extreme.

Extreme because the generators of this hysterical banter are usually full of existential angst and self-hatred so that entering into any sort of dialogue is akin to agreeing to a session in co-counseling.

One good example of the sort of moron that likes to engage in this mental flip flopping is the host of the recent doco-drama Drunk Dumb or Racist. . This idiot uses the most banal and childish arguments to uphold his simple ideological argument so as to make pauline hanson seem positively genius like in presenting the diametric viewpoint. What a complete an utter moron. As well he has the comedic timing of a complete fawn that makes my skin crawl and causes me to feel embarrassed to consider that he is an australian. Well I think he is Australian. I keep hearing him refer to Australians as "they" and "those" and "them" australians.

Which is another point worth mentioning. New immigrants (and their recently born progeny) to Oz seem hell bent on creating as much mileage of their new found citizenship (in oft cases it is simply residency rather than citizenship) by leveraging loud belligerent Australian - "nonaustralians" to tell us how bloody "racist" we are.

The same strategy is used by muslim proselytizers, they come here in the hope of attaining a better, richer more opportunity laden lifestyle - one that has been established through a christian democracy - and then they go about subverting the established culture to better suit their own beliefs and cultures, which is the chief causative antagonistic reason for the degeneration and decline in their own civilisation.

It is a curious circumstance where a "person" that suffers a malady feels that the cure is found by infecting others that do not suffer the same disease................. Cheesy

Well put dooley. To the point exactly. The last 3 paragraphs perfectly illustrates the stupidity and absurdity in all this.

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Reply #23 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:32pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

Dooley wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

I almost always have a good old chuckle about this sort of crappola. The whole argument is fraught with the difficulties of elitism in the extreme.

Extreme because the generators of this hysterical banter are usually full of existential angst and self-hatred so that entering into any sort of dialogue is akin to agreeing to a session in co-counseling.

One good example of the sort of moron that likes to engage in this mental flip flopping is the host of the recent doco-drama Drunk Dumb or Racist. . This idiot uses the most banal and childish arguments to uphold his simple ideological argument so as to make pauline hanson seem positively genius like in presenting the diametric viewpoint. What a complete an utter moron. As well he has the comedic timing of a complete fawn that makes my skin crawl and causes me to feel embarrassed to consider that he is an australian. Well I think he is Australian. I keep hearing him refer to Australians as "they" and "those" and "them" australians.

Which is another point worth mentioning. New immigrants (and their recently born progeny) to Oz seem hell bent on creating as much mileage of their new found citizenship (in oft cases it is simply residency rather than citizenship) by leveraging loud belligerent Australian - "nonaustralians" to tell us how bloody "racist" we are.

The same strategy is used by muslim proselytizers, they come here in the hope of attaining a better, richer more opportunity laden lifestyle - one that has been established through a christian democracy - and then they go about subverting the established culture to better suit their own beliefs and cultures, which is the chief causative antagonistic reason for the degeneration and decline in their own civilisation.

It is a curious circumstance where a "person" that suffers a malady feels that the cure is found by infecting others that do not suffer the same disease................. Cheesy

Well put dooley. To the point exactly. The last 3 paragraphs perfectly illustrates the stupidity and absurdity in all this.

Uhhh his idea is to demonstrate that aussies are NOT racist. You do realise this dont you?

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Nope. We have separation of religion and state in this country. If we didnt - and if you were right then we would be as bad as you portray them as being.

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Reply #26 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:36pm

My first question to Joe would be to ask him to first present a "non-partisan" investigation of the indian caste system, the religious riots and conflicts that still haunt indian politics after the schism caused by muslim separatists after indian independence and then I would like him to introduce in a thoroughly insightful way a personal and professional introduction of the indians he has brought to OZ, so as to give some form of credibility and or validity before he asks them to "pass judgement" on us.

The show reminds me of how a fawning fool goes about making "friends" with people he wants to hang around with.... willing to subjugate his own pride and wishes, just to appease those he idolizes in the vainglorious hope of being accepted as a peer......

I wonder if joe would rather be a "indian" citizen. If he feels victimized and oppressed perhaps he can jump on a boat and experience how the indian government treats "cultural refugees" lol.

Or perhaps joe might like to resettle back to his homeland Israel and then make poignant doco-drama in Yiddish involving bringing palestinian refugees from Oz to Israel where they can recount the horror of being evicted from their homeland and locked up in a concrete walled enclosure, to make way for indian "lost-tribes" to resettle in Israel............

I can see the renting of hair, wearing sacken clothe and throwing ashes on oneself already.........................

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Reply #27 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:44pm

Dooley wrote on Jul 7^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

My first question to Joe would be to ask him to first present a "non-partisan" investigation of the indian caste system, the religious riots and conflicts that still haunt indian politics after the schism caused by muslim separatists after indian independence and then I would like him to introduce in a thoroughly insightful way a personal and professional introduction of the indians he has brought to OZ, so as to give some form of credibility and or validity before he asks them to "pass judgement" on us.

The show reminds me of how a fawning fool goes about making "friends" with people he wants to hang around with.... willing to subjugate his own pride and wishes, just to appease those he idolizes in the vainglorious hope of being accepted as a peer......

I wonder if joe would rather be a "indian" citizen. If he feels victimized and oppressed perhaps he can jump on a boat and experience how the indian government treats "cultural refugees" lol.

Or perhaps joe might like to resettle back to his homeland Israel and then make poignant doco-drama in Yiddish involving bringing palestinian refugees from Oz to Israel where they can recount the horror of being evicted from their homeland and locked up in a concrete walled enclosure, to make way for indian "lost-tribes" to resettle in Israel............

I can see the renting of hair, wearing sacken clothe and throwing ashes on oneself already.........................

You claim to have watched the show then you go on like that? His purpose is to demonstrate that aussies are NOT racist. The racist attacks were brought on by the media (and hyped by the media) but I watched the show and they arent really hassled that much. A bit - yeah there are racists in australia but overall everything seems fine. Its a TV show - he has to show anything that happens or he wont have anyone watching.

It has nothing to do with india or indian culture. It has to do with australia and australian culture. They did - however - in the first episode show where these ppl came from and it looked pretty civilised to me.

That being said I really dont like reality shows and that is what this is afterall.

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Reply #28 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 2:02pm

@SOB - if that is his point he hides it extremely well.

As well, I can tell you from bitter experience that our origins (culturally) may not seem entirely christian in practise or promise, but in fact the inverse is true. From your enjoyed holidays throughout the year (easter, xmas, new year, queens birthday - she is the head of the church you know - and every thing in between them including the right to not work on sundays (OT/penalty rates/) as that was the prescribed day of worship and rest - so decreed our religious beliefs..... Christian that is.....

My "bitter" experience of having being a "bastard" child due to the dictates of an unrepentant father and mother in choosing separation against the wishes of the local priest and religious community made it difficult in making childhood friends as most god-fearing christians did not want the stigma of having "bastard" children playing with their children or having been in their house will clearly remain etched in my conscience - thank you very much.

So please do not try and relay to me how your belief outweighs my experience. It's a bird that aint gunna fly in this paddock ol mate. Wink

And while your recent experience of life allows you the emotional and mental freedom to declare that you do not owe anything to the christian past/heritage of our society, I'm afraid that I know all to well from whence our culture and societies paradigm originates, not just through my own personal experiences, but from having read a sufficient anthropological and historical books on our own "whitebread" christian society.

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Reply #29 - Jul 7^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

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@SOB - if that is his point he hides it extremely well.

Heh well yeah its a TV show. However I think that since that was his stated goal with it the show should come to the conclusion that we arent a racist country. Hope so anyway - cant really be predicted though can it?

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As well, I can tell you from bitter experience that our origins (culturally) may not seem entirely christian in practise or promise, but in fact the inverse is true. From your enjoyed holidays throughout the year (easter, xmas, new year, queens birthday - she is the head of the church you know - and every thing in between them including the right to not work on sundays (OT/penalty rates/) as that was the prescribed day of worship and rest - so decreed our religious beliefs..... Christian that is.....

In the past everyone was religious (not xtian but COE in this country) however we have outgrown that and LEGALLY we have separation of state and religion. Its not a "belief" its a law.

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My "bitter" experience of having being a "bastard" child due to the dictates of an unrepentant father and mother in choosing separation against the wishes of the local priest and religious community made it difficult in making childhood friends as most god-fearing christians did not want the stigma of having "bastard" children playing with their children or having been in their house will clearly remain etched in my conscience - thank you very much.

Well you arent the only person to be persecuted by idiot fairyfolk. I would tell you a story but too many asshole dumbos in this forum would never let it go since theres no link to it on the internet (i dont think). Anyway I think most ppl that are over a certain age have horror stories about the COE. I am not going to get into the stupid discussion about where those holidays came from - its too long and off topic however like i said times have changed.

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So please do not try and relay to me how your belief outweighs my experience. It's a bird that aint gunna fly in this paddock ol mate.

Dont be a dick mate

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And while your recent experience of life allows you the emotional and mental freedom to declare that you do not owe anything to the christian past/heritage of our society, I'm afraid that I know all to well from whence our culture and societies paradigm originates, not just through my own personal experiences, but from having read a sufficient anthropological and historical books on our own "whitebread" christian society.

While i made no declaration of the sort i do not think i owe anything to religion. Religion was a "fact of life" and anyone that didnt believe the crap was too scared to say so so it continued for a long time. It was not the CAUSE of innovation though - science and progress took place in spite of it. In fact everytime something new comes along either socially or technically or scientifically the religions fight it and we have to go through all this BS to get anywhere.

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