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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #105 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:41pm Quote: However, people are not naturally racist. They simply become that way through fear and misinformation. You forgot to mention "experience".
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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #106 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:47pm

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However, people are not naturally racist. They simply become that way through fear and misinformation.

You forgot to mention "experience".

You're right, Honky. I forgot to mention the "experience" of fellowship with other racists.

Liberty, equality, fraternity, innit.

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #107 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:50pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:35pm: However, people are not naturally racist. They simply become that way through fear and misinformation. Case in point: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1341618700/105#105
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Reply #108 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

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However, people are not naturally racist. They simply become that way through fear and misinformation.

You forgot to mention "experience".

You're right, Honky. I forgot to mention the "experience" of fellowship with other racists.

Liberty, equality, fraternity, innit.

You "forgot" to mention that bad experiences with groups can lead to negative associations with them. eg If someone lives in a neighbourhood with a high concentration of aborigines, they may develop a negative view of them, having borne witness to their behaviour.
That's why the most ardent "anti racists" come from wealthy, white neighbourhoods.

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Reply #109 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:11pm

... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

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However, people are not naturally racist. They simply become that way through fear and misinformation.

You forgot to mention "experience".

You're right, Honky. I forgot to mention the "experience" of fellowship with other racists.

Liberty, equality, fraternity, innit.

You "forgot" to mention that bad experiences with groups can lead to negative associations with them. eg If someone lives in a neighbourhood with a high concentration of aborigines, they may develop a negative view of them, having borne witness to their behaviour.
That's why the most ardent "anti racists" come from wealthy, white neighbourhoods.

I see. What negative experiences have your friends had in their Aboriginal neighbourhoods, Honky?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #110 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:16pm Pretending it can't happen that way eh? Not suprising. Because to concede that negative experiences with groups can lead to the formation of negative opinions of them would blow your whole theory out of the water.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53256 At my desk.	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #111 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:21pm Quote: Racism is just an excuse for crisis: Jewish bankers. Bosnian separatists. Chechnyan terrorists. Asian ghettos and Abos getting all the benefits. You left out 9/11.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61950 Here Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #112 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:32pm Australia's problem with racism Many Australians do not have a problem with racism; in fact they have become rather good at it.
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Reply #113 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Pretending it can't happen that way eh?

Not suprising.

Because to concede that negative experiences with groups can lead to the formation of negative opinions of them would blow your whole theory out of the water.

No, I'm not pretending, I'm asking what experiences you've had. You don't have to tell me, Honky.

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Reply #114 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm

Ahh but you are pretending. Pretending is all that you do.

So lets get hypothetical.

Lets say a bloke lived in a heavily aboriginised neighbourhood where he was bullied day in, day out, robbed, beaten, spat on etc.

Would he, or would he not develop an aversion to people like his tormentors? Or, to put it simply, are human beings capable of learning from experience?

A simple yes or no would be great, thanks.

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Reply #115 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

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Racism is just an excuse for crisis: Jewish bankers. Bosnian separatists. Chechnyan terrorists. Asian ghettos and Abos getting all the benefits.

You left out 9/11.

You're right, I did. But I'm not sure if anti-Islamic sentiment is an example of racism. I guess it could be, but how do you link Ayrabs like Saddam with, say, Macassan sea traders?

Anything's possible.

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Re: Australia's problem with racism
Reply #116 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Ahh but you are pretending. Pretending is all that you do.

So lets get hypothetical.

No, Honky, I'd rather stick to "experience". You advocate racism and you're saying it's caused by experience.

So what's your experience?

You don't have to say if you don't want. Sorry if I've touched on something traumatic for you.

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Reply #117 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

Incorrect. I say it CAN BE caused by experience. Experiences similar to that outlined in the hypothetical that you ignored. In case you missed it, here it is again:

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Lets say a bloke lived in a heavily aboriginised neighbourhood where he was bullied day in, day out, robbed, beaten, spat on etc.

Would he, or would he not develop an aversion to people like his tormentors? Or, to put it simply, are human beings capable of learning from experience?

yes or no?

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103173	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #118 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:18pm I thought there were no right or wrong answers, Honky. ... wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 10:45am: You're not shy about saying what is "wrong" - but don't seem to realise that there is no absolute "right" or "wrong" - it's all subjective. So do tell - is there any people on this earth who are "right"? Who are they?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Australia's problem with racism Reply #119 - Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:18pm Or if that one causes you too much anguish to admit, how about this one: If a blokes country was invaded, his ancestors displaced or massacred. His people marginalised, impoverished, living on the fringes of society, would he be likely to develop some animosity to the invaders? yes or no?
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