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Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:00am
 
Coalition targets welfare 'bludgers'




A COALITION government will "break the cycle of idleness and habits of apathy" that can develop among those on welfare, according to leaked speaking notes provided to opposition MPs.

"The Coalition will renew the commitment to mutual obligation" and allow people to "give back" in return for assistance, making welfare "a disincentive to those who just want to bludge", the 135-page "Coalition Speaker's Notes" say.

Opposition MPs have also been told to reassure constituents the Coalition believes there is "workplace relations fatigue" in the community, and its approach in government would be problem-solving and pragmatic, not ideological.

The notes propose this response when MPs are asked: "You are on the record attacking Labor's workplace laws. How can we trust you when you say that you now support the Fair Work Act?"

Covering all policy areas and dated July 1, the notes have been published on the Crikey website.

They suggest that MPs say the main industrial relations problems are with militancy, lack of flexibility and inadequate productivity trade-offs.

Among the lines on IR are that "we have well and truly absorbed the lessons of the Coalition's 2007 defeat, as well as the different lessons of the current government's failures.

"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election ... The Coalition will always work with the independent umpire, Fair Work Australia."

When asked "are we worried about increased wage outcomes, particularly in the building sector?", the suggested answer is: "The larger concern is that big wage rises seem to come with no trade-off for increased productivity."

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has been anxious to take a middle course on workplace relations to minimise Labor's scope for a fear campaign, despite a more gung-ho approach by some in his party.

MPs are being given heavy ammunition against the Greens.

The Greens "believe in legalising same-sex marriages ... in reintroduction of voluntary euthanasia laws  in the NT and ACT ... support holding a plebiscite for an Australian republic ... will legalise the use of cannabis for specified medical purposes".


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/coalition-targets-welfare...


Have the Loser Libs just discovered the internet ... and so just discovered the policies of the Growing Greens.
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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am
 
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am
 
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)
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Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)


dont forget the recriminisation of homosexuality, mandatory bible study in public schools and a removal of all welfare benefits
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:29am
 
and the deportation of all asyslum seekers and the mandatory imprisonment of all dole bludgers.  there goes you and IMFULLOFIT
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:39am
 
And forcing women into being breeding factories while chained to the kitchen sink.
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Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)

It is easy to figure out. Whatever is taken to an election can be said to have be mandated by the people who voted for it.
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Reply #7 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:41am
 
Libs will put Greens LAST on all ballots so the Greens will be history......no preferences for those clowns....the lesser of two weevills  Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:53am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:40am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)

It is easy to figure out. Whatever is taken to an election can be said to have be mandated by the people who voted for it.




Does this mean both versions on every topic.

i.e
Yes we support agriculture // Yes we support coal seam gas

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Reply #9 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:54am
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:41am:
Libs will put Greens LAST on all ballots so the Greens will be history......no preferences for those clowns....the lesser of two weevills  Cheesy



So a vote for Liberal is a Vote for Labor.

Nothing changes aye.
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Reply #10 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:53am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:40am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)

It is easy to figure out. Whatever is taken to an election can be said to have be mandated by the people who voted for it.




Does this mean both versions on every topic.

i.e
Yes we support agriculture // Yes we support coal seam gas


Comes back to not being able to please everyone. There is always going to be overlap.

Still comes back to the simple fact that if it has been spoken about at an election, it can be called a mandate. If you dont like what they are talking about, then dont vote for them, but it doesn't stop the mandate unless they lose.
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Reply #11 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:18am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:56am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:53am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:40am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)

It is easy to figure out. Whatever is taken to an election can be said to have be mandated by the people who voted for it.




Does this mean both versions on every topic.

i.e
Yes we support agriculture // Yes we support coal seam gas


Comes back to not being able to please everyone. There is always going to be overlap.

Still comes back to the simple fact that if it has been spoken about at an election, it can be called a mandate. If you dont like what they are talking about, then dont vote for them, but it doesn't stop the mandate unless they lose.


I disagree about te mandate. I believe a mndate only exists for major policies discussed at some length in a campaign and is limited to one or two. and the mandate only exists itf there is a comfortable win - not a narrow escape or a minorty govt.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:25am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:18am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:56am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:53am:
progressiveslol wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:40am:
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:21am:
MOTR wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 7:05am:
"We will seek a mandate for any changes to the Fair Work Act at the 2013 election

Hang on, isn't that a referendum on the carbon tax.




So it's a referendum for "   " (fill in after the election, if we win.


So a vote for Libs is a vote for Workchoices, Nuclear Reactors in everyone's backyard, Mining National Parks, Persecution People on Welfare etc etc (Standard Hard Right Stuff)

It is easy to figure out. Whatever is taken to an election can be said to have be mandated by the people who voted for it.




Does this mean both versions on every topic.

i.e
Yes we support agriculture // Yes we support coal seam gas


Comes back to not being able to please everyone. There is always going to be overlap.

Still comes back to the simple fact that if it has been spoken about at an election, it can be called a mandate. If you dont like what they are talking about, then dont vote for them, but it doesn't stop the mandate unless they lose.


I disagree about te mandate. I believe a mndate only exists for major policies discussed at some length in a campaign and is limited to one or two. and the mandate only exists itf there is a comfortable win - not a narrow escape or a minorty govt.

I agree, but pollies are not ethical. They will say "we had a mandate to do it" whether its true or you agree. Mandates are not nominated, so are subject to change.
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Reply #13 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
Mandates should only count when voting is non compulsory, or non preferencial.
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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:39pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Mandates should only count when voting is non compulsory, or non preferencial.


lets get rid of preferential voting - including the senate. then the greens are history. you MIGHT win one senate seat in Tas and nothing anywhere else.
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