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Reply #15 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:31pm

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

The question should be should any MP who fails to represent their electorate with distinction worthy of a salary of X.

So, if I had to list a couple each way.
Oakeshott, Windsor, Katter - Yes.
Thompson - No.

I dont have to like Oakeshott, but I respect the man because he is at least up front and honest, and represents his electorate with distinction and gusto. Thompson has mere disgraced his own.

"represent' implies represneting their views and wishes. By that measurement, Oakeshott has done the reverse. Oakeshott has represented nothing more then his OWN views to the opposition of his electorates stated views. Same applies to Windsor. Katter might be insane - but they knew that going in to the election and he has remained true to what he promised.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #16 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

The question should be should any MP who fails to represent their electorate with distinction worthy of a salary of X.

So, if I had to list a couple each way.
Oakeshott, Windsor, Katter - Yes.
Thompson - No.

I dont have to like Oakeshott, but I respect the man because he is at least up front and honest, and represents his electorate with distinction and gusto. Thompson has mere disgraced his own.

"represent' implies represneting their views and wishes. By that measurement, Oakeshott has done the reverse. Oakeshott has represented nothing more then his OWN views to the opposition of his electorates stated views. Same applies to Windsor. Katter might be insane - but they knew that going in to the election and he has remained true to what he promised.

That is crap, before the election both men at community forums went to them with an ETS and NBN as a major platform, and they were still elected.

Suck it up mate, both electorates got EXACTLY what they voted for.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #17 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Oakeshott certainly does no such thing. He supports Labor and the Greens, when he lives in one of the most conservative electorates in the country.

Now I don't support what any Polly earns, but the reason I single out Thomson is because it has Ben well noted that he is never present in his community. Why does he get payed for doing that?

He either supports or doesnt support each bill on its merits, and these matters he has been upfront BEFORE the election on them.

Unlike the ALP, Greens and Coalition Oakeshott is one of the few men with intelligence, because he makes up his mind AFTER hearing the case.

Anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the facts and votes purely on a party line is a fool

votes on its merits? like the ming tax and carbon tax? or how about supporting Gillard over Abbott? What about *shock horror* listening to the wishes of his electorate? If he doesnt do that then all he is doing is representing HIMSELF - which is not the job.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #18 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm

Slow news day eh? I guess you righties can't find another boat that you can clamour to have machine gunned or someone to die on TV to give you a good belly laugh.

Meanwhile, day 4 and we still have power. It's a miracle! Maybe Abbott was praying for me? Tim Tams are completely gone though. May need to venture out to see if I can scavenge some before our energies completely run out.

Damn this python strike!

Or death squeeze.

Or whatever it is.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #19 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Oakeshott certainly does no such thing. He supports Labor and the Greens, when he lives in one of the most conservative electorates in the country.

Now I don't support what any Polly earns, but the reason I single out Thomson is because it has Ben well noted that he is never present in his community. Why does he get payed for doing that?

He either supports or doesnt support each bill on its merits, and these matters he has been upfront BEFORE the election on them.

Unlike the ALP, Greens and Coalition Oakeshott is one of the few men with intelligence, because he makes up his mind AFTER hearing the case.

Anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the facts and votes purely on a party line is a fool

votes on its merits? like the ming tax and carbon tax? or how about supporting Gillard over Abbott? What about *shock horror* listening to the wishes of his electorate? If he doesnt do that then all he is doing is representing HIMSELF - which is not the job.

He took an ETS and NBN to his electorate BEFORE the last election and they voted for him.

Abbott is anti ETS and anti NBN. Abbott hung himself mate.

As for the mining tax, hook in, I have little sympathy for companies who make billions. The mining tax, the brain child of Ken Henry, is good policy in its original form and not this watered down bastardised version.

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john_g Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1549 Gender:	Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year? Reply #20 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:45pm I don't know why this turned to Oakeshott, but now that it has, could someone tell me of any job that he's ever held out of politics? As much as I don't like Gillard and About, at least they had jobs before going into politics in their mid to late 30s.
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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #21 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:47pm

Gist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Slow news day eh? I guess you righties can't find another boat that you can clamour to have machine gunned or someone to die on TV to give you a good belly laugh.

Meanwhile, day 4 and we still have power. It's a miracle! Maybe Abbott was praying for me? Tim Tams are completely gone though. May need to venture out to see if I can scavenge some before our energies completely run out.

Damn this python strike!

Or death squeeze.

Or whatever it is.

This isn't about left vs right, or Labor vs Liberal. It's about Thomson (and somehow now Oakeshott) against all other pollies, regardless of persuasion.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #22 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

The question should be should any MP who fails to represent their electorate with distinction worthy of a salary of X.

So, if I had to list a couple each way.
Oakeshott, Windsor, Katter - Yes.
Thompson - No.

I dont have to like Oakeshott, but I respect the man because he is at least up front and honest, and represents his electorate with distinction and gusto. Thompson has mere disgraced his own.

"represent' implies represneting their views and wishes. By that measurement, Oakeshott has done the reverse. Oakeshott has represented nothing more then his OWN views to the opposition of his electorates stated views. Same applies to Windsor. Katter might be insane - but they knew that going in to the election and he has remained true to what he promised.

That is crap, before the election both men at community forums went to them with an ETS and NBN as a major platform, and they were still elected.

Suck it up mate, both electorates got EXACTLY what they voted for.

what about supporting labor over liberal? this is an electorate where labor got 8% only. after the election both electorates were polled as to who should be govt and they supported the other side.

The most fundamental representation is in choosing a govt adn they failed miersably by choosing the other side. Why do you think Oakeshott is facing a 35% swing AGAINST him? and Windsor is nearly as large.

You cant pick and choose what you represent. You either represent your elctorate or not. Oakeshott is going to get hammered for his choices - as he should. But like another poster you lost me the moment you said he was intelligent. That is certainly one thing he is NOT.

you like the mining tax, Oakeshott likes the mining tax. That is not how you define either intelligent or being a good representative. Unless you are in his electorate (and you arent) then YOUR view means nothing.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #23 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Oakeshott certainly does no such thing. He supports Labor and the Greens, when he lives in one of the most conservative electorates in the country.

Now I don't support what any Polly earns, but the reason I single out Thomson is because it has Ben well noted that he is never present in his community. Why does he get payed for doing that?

He either supports or doesnt support each bill on its merits, and these matters he has been upfront BEFORE the election on them.

Unlike the ALP, Greens and Coalition Oakeshott is one of the few men with intelligence, because he makes up his mind AFTER hearing the case.

Anyone who makes up their mind before hearing the facts and votes purely on a party line is a fool

votes on its merits? like the ming tax and carbon tax? or how about supporting Gillard over Abbott? What about *shock horror* listening to the wishes of his electorate? If he doesnt do that then all he is doing is representing HIMSELF - which is not the job.

He took an ETS and NBN to his electorate BEFORE the last election and they voted for him.

Abbott is anti ETS and anti NBN. Abbott hung himself mate.

As for the mining tax, hook in, I have little sympathy for companies who make billions. The mining tax, the brain child of Ken Henry, is good policy in its original form and not this watered down bastardised version.

some would say having a position that cannot be bought is called ETHICAL. Gillard was prepared to negotiate ANYTHING for power. If the greens had demanded gay marriage for Bandts vote, we would now have gay marriage. If oakeshott had demanded a tax summit every week we would ahve one. at least we only had the one - which was a 100% waste of time.

why dont you try deciding if he is a good representative by a higher standard than aggreeing with you?

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #25 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Slow news day eh? I guess you righties can't find another boat that you can clamour to have machine gunned or someone to die on TV to give you a good belly laugh.

Meanwhile, day 4 and we still have power. It's a miracle! Maybe Abbott was praying for me? Tim Tams are completely gone though. May need to venture out to see if I can scavenge some before our energies completely run out.

Damn this python strike!

Or death squeeze.

Or whatever it is.

This isn't about left vs right, or Labor vs Liberal. It's about Thomson (and somehow now Oakeshott) against all other pollies, regardless of persuasion.

in the real world, people get their salaraies whether they do a good or lousy job. There are no performance measures for MPs other than the election every three years. Is he worth the money? not close. But who could ever judge that. However this is just anothr of your rants about pollies pay.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #26 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

The question should be should any MP who fails to represent their electorate with distinction worthy of a salary of X.

So, if I had to list a couple each way.
Oakeshott, Windsor, Katter - Yes.
Thompson - No.

I dont have to like Oakeshott, but I respect the man because he is at least up front and honest, and represents his electorate with distinction and gusto. Thompson has mere disgraced his own.

"represent' implies represneting their views and wishes. By that measurement, Oakeshott has done the reverse. Oakeshott has represented nothing more then his OWN views to the opposition of his electorates stated views. Same applies to Windsor. Katter might be insane - but they knew that going in to the election and he has remained true to what he promised.

That is crap, before the election both men at community forums went to them with an ETS and NBN as a major platform, and they were still elected.

Suck it up mate, both electorates got EXACTLY what they voted for.

what about supporting labor over liberal? this is an electorate where labor got 8% only. after the election both electorates were polled as to who should be govt and they supported the other side.

The most fundamental representation is in choosing a govt adn they failed miersably by choosing the other side. Why do you think Oakeshott is facing a 35% swing AGAINST him? and Windsor is nearly as large.

You cant pick and choose what you represent. You either represent your elctorate or not. Oakeshott is going to get hammered for his choices - as he should. But like another poster you lost me the moment you said he was intelligent. That is certainly one thing he is NOT.

you like the mining tax, Oakeshott likes the mining tax. That is not how you define either intelligent or being a good representative. Unless you are in his electorate (and you arent) then YOUR view means nothing.

Still doesnt change the fact an ETS & NBN was a platform Oakeshott was voted on, and he has delieved that.

That my friend is representing your electorate.

Deal with it.

You dont have to like his decision, but you should have enough conviction to at least respect it.

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Re: Does craig Thomson deserve $191,000 a year?
Reply #27 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

The question should be should any MP who fails to represent their electorate with distinction worthy of a salary of X.

So, if I had to list a couple each way.
Oakeshott, Windsor, Katter - Yes.
Thompson - No.

I dont have to like Oakeshott, but I respect the man because he is at least up front and honest, and represents his electorate with distinction and gusto. Thompson has mere disgraced his own.

"represent' implies represneting their views and wishes. By that measurement, Oakeshott has done the reverse. Oakeshott has represented nothing more then his OWN views to the opposition of his electorates stated views. Same applies to Windsor. Katter might be insane - but they knew that going in to the election and he has remained true to what he promised.

That is crap, before the election both men at community forums went to them with an ETS and NBN as a major platform, and they were still elected.

Suck it up mate, both electorates got EXACTLY what they voted for.

what about supporting labor over liberal? this is an electorate where labor got 8% only. after the election both electorates were polled as to who should be govt and they supported the other side.

The most fundamental representation is in choosing a govt adn they failed miersably by choosing the other side. Why do you think Oakeshott is facing a 35% swing AGAINST him? and Windsor is nearly as large.

You cant pick and choose what you represent. You either represent your elctorate or not. Oakeshott is going to get hammered for his choices - as he should. But like another poster you lost me the moment you said he was intelligent. That is certainly one thing he is NOT.

you like the mining tax, Oakeshott likes the mining tax. That is not how you define either intelligent or being a good representative. Unless you are in his electorate (and you arent) then YOUR view means nothing.

Still doesnt change the fact an ETS & NBN was a platform Oakeshott was voted on, and he has delieved that.

That my friend is representing your electorate.

Deal with it.

You dont have to like his decision, but you should have enough conviction to at least respect it.

Respect what? in the BIGGEST decision he chose to ignore the whopping majority opinion of his electorate. He chose to support Labor over Coalition. how do you defend that? Why dont you demand that every MP in the house have a concsience vote over the carbon tax? it wil be defeated. What about the mining tax? also probably defeated.

You cant claim he is ethical and a great representative because he votes on two issues the way you like while rejecting his MISrepresentation of the major issue. That is just nonsense.

But really, calling him INTELLIGENT?? He is widely regard as a bozo by BOTH sides and if you've ever heard him tallk on and on and on... you'd call him a bozo too.

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Reply #28 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

Of course he does. If you ask me, pollies are well underpayed. They work very long hours, and are payed a pittamce to several other, less gruelling jobs in the country. On the issue of Rob Oakeshott, what a good man. He put the interests. Of the nation above his own personal interests. The people of Lyne have qn obligation to vote him in next election again. I have heard that news is grim for him Windsor, Smith, Swan and Rudd, but these voters all have a duty to reelevt these men.

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Reply #29 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:02pm

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

Of course he does. If you ask me, pollies are well underpayed. They work very long hours, and are payed a pittamce to several other, less gruelling jobs in the country. On the issue of Rob Oakeshott, what a good man. He put the interests. Of the nation above his own personal interests. The people of Lyne have qn obligation to vote him in next election again. I have heard that news is grim for him Windsor, Smith, Swan and Rudd, but these voters all have a duty to reelevt these men.

you are an idiot. although, being a greenie that is noramlly assumed.

obligation... is there anything about democracy that you actually understand?

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