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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #30 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:44pm corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:05pm: I am itching Try some of this:
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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #31 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:28pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Centrelink begin welfare ban on booze, tobacco
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/centrelink-begin-welfare-ban-on-booze-toba...

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RENT, bills and food are in but alcohol, cigarettes and gambling are out.
A federal government trial in which Centrelink manages the money of welfare recipients began yesterday amid an angry protest.

Bankstown, in Sydney's southwest, is one of five areas where the trial is being conducted.

It is designed to help allocate Centrelink benefits so that expenses are paid.

Under the government's Stronger Futures legislation, the trials will direct money from some welfare recipients to pay for "priority items" such as food, housing, clothing and utilities.

The remainder of the money can be used as they wish - but with strict exclusions.

Recipients are forbidden to spend their welfare on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Hey, its taken almost 5 years but the Govt has finally got something right................ Cheesy

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That is ridiculous. How would you like to be retrenched and told how to spend your money?

SOB

Whose money?

Exactly. I'd love to tell you how to spend my money, corporate_bludger...

It only seems to you that my money is your money...do not make the mistake of acting out on your delusions you you will pay dearly financially for your trouble....and I would love to see justice done believe me...

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #32 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:50pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Centrelink begin welfare ban on booze, tobacco
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/centrelink-begin-welfare-ban-on-booze-toba...

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RENT, bills and food are in but alcohol, cigarettes and gambling are out.
A federal government trial in which Centrelink manages the money of welfare recipients began yesterday amid an angry protest.

Bankstown, in Sydney's southwest, is one of five areas where the trial is being conducted.

It is designed to help allocate Centrelink benefits so that expenses are paid.

Under the government's Stronger Futures legislation, the trials will direct money from some welfare recipients to pay for "priority items" such as food, housing, clothing and utilities.

The remainder of the money can be used as they wish - but with strict exclusions.

Recipients are forbidden to spend their welfare on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Hey, its taken almost 5 years but the Govt has finally got something right................ Cheesy

I agree.

Still, it's sad to see people on limited incomes (such as those described above) requiring assistance in prioritizing their weekly budgets so as to exclude unnecessary splurges on items such as alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Basic budgeting falls under independent living skills and these ought to be learned and mastered before leaving school IMO.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #33 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:53pm Personally, I think you are all talk, the Carbon tax is dead and you are getting desperate for your next free meal...what to do? Quote: "To no one will We sell, to no one will We deny or delay, right or justice." ....
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #34 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 10:57pm If you ask me there is a lot of Cognitive dissonance going on in society today, people are asking questions, the Corporate worlds machismo is going limp...
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #35 - Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 11:29pm Citizens have, lawful economic expectations out of life...I think you know what I mean with all of those Australian citizens shut out of secure employment and being replaced with foreign labor....
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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #36 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:53am

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:28pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Centrelink begin welfare ban on booze, tobacco
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/centrelink-begin-welfare-ban-on-booze-toba...

Quote:

RENT, bills and food are in but alcohol, cigarettes and gambling are out.
A federal government trial in which Centrelink manages the money of welfare recipients began yesterday amid an angry protest.

Bankstown, in Sydney's southwest, is one of five areas where the trial is being conducted.

It is designed to help allocate Centrelink benefits so that expenses are paid.

Under the government's Stronger Futures legislation, the trials will direct money from some welfare recipients to pay for "priority items" such as food, housing, clothing and utilities.

The remainder of the money can be used as they wish - but with strict exclusions.

Recipients are forbidden to spend their welfare on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Hey, its taken almost 5 years but the Govt has finally got something right................ Cheesy

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That is ridiculous. How would you like to be retrenched and told how to spend your money?

SOB

Whose money?

Are you trying to say that if its the dole it isnt your own money?

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #37 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:02am

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Centrelink begin welfare ban on booze, tobacco
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/centrelink-begin-welfare-ban-on-booze-toba...

Quote:

RENT, bills and food are in but alcohol, cigarettes and gambling are out.
A federal government trial in which Centrelink manages the money of welfare recipients began yesterday amid an angry protest.

Bankstown, in Sydney's southwest, is one of five areas where the trial is being conducted.

It is designed to help allocate Centrelink benefits so that expenses are paid.

Under the government's Stronger Futures legislation, the trials will direct money from some welfare recipients to pay for "priority items" such as food, housing, clothing and utilities.

The remainder of the money can be used as they wish - but with strict exclusions.

Recipients are forbidden to spend their welfare on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Hey, its taken almost 5 years but the Govt has finally got something right................ Cheesy

So what exactly is Right about this , If the australain government provided unemployed people with JOBs and a worthwhile income to live on they wouldn't need to quantine any welfare payments, because they we wouldn;t be on wealfare, we would be wealthy and not need welfare.

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #38 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:12am

Kat wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 4:50pm:

You can already VOLUNTARILY 'quarantine' your payments by getting Centrelink
to automatically deduct rent, power, gas and a number of other things.

This option has been available for quite some time. I know several pensioners
and unemployed who use it, and they think it's great.

I'd encourage this, but to make it compulsory, THEN try to tell them what
they can spend the REMAINDER on, is simply obscene.

I would make a tentative exception in cases where it is PROVEN that kids
are at risk. No other exceptions.

Their is only one problem with this. there is not sufficent money in a unemployment payment to put aside this money for , rent etc to pay, what do you live on after this is payed out

eg dole $477 per ft/n Standard rent $400 per week/

Unemployed beniefs should be paid at a rate to which what your trained occupation is, there fore you are a unemployed worker in a trade so you get the equivelent of what a worker gets.

example I am a qualified diasbilility care work so i should get money to the same amount as a disbility care worker that works 30 hours a week.

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #39 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:21am

If the scheme is voluntary what is all the fuss. I have a problem with it being applied to those who fall behind in their rent, but not for those who neglect their children.

Not really sure how the system who work. How can you stop people buying a beer or having a punt with the money that is in their pocket.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #40 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:24am Correct , but we just have to make that money more pactical for the purpose, no one can live on under $500 per ft.n,
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting Reply #41 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:27am We had a poll here not long ago where the vast majority of posters supported an increase in the dole. I think most people realise it is falling too far behind.
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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #42 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 7:48am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:53am:

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 9:28pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Centrelink begin welfare ban on booze, tobacco
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/centrelink-begin-welfare-ban-on-booze-toba...

Quote:

RENT, bills and food are in but alcohol, cigarettes and gambling are out.
A federal government trial in which Centrelink manages the money of welfare recipients began yesterday amid an angry protest.

Bankstown, in Sydney's southwest, is one of five areas where the trial is being conducted.

It is designed to help allocate Centrelink benefits so that expenses are paid.

Under the government's Stronger Futures legislation, the trials will direct money from some welfare recipients to pay for "priority items" such as food, housing, clothing and utilities.

The remainder of the money can be used as they wish - but with strict exclusions.

Recipients are forbidden to spend their welfare on alcohol, tobacco, pornography and gambling.

Hey, its taken almost 5 years but the Govt has finally got something right................ Cheesy

'
That is ridiculous. How would you like to be retrenched and told how to spend your money?

SOB

Whose money?

Are you trying to say that if its the dole it isnt your own money?

SOB

Yes, they are.

They do, regularly. They think it's THEIR money.

This is why they THINK they should have the right to
tell people how they can spend the dole.

That's a right NO-ONE should have.

ESPECIALLY the Govt.

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #43 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:14am

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:27am:

We had a poll here not long ago where the vast majority of posters supported an increase in the dole. I think most people realise it is falling too far behind.

I support a rise in the dole. I just don't see how THIS government can afford it. It spends money quicker than it gets any.

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Re: Welfare ban on Grog, Smokes, Porn & Punting
Reply #44 - Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 8:14am:

MOTR wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 5:27am:

We had a poll here not long ago where the vast majority of posters supported an increase in the dole. I think most people realise it is falling too far behind.

I support a rise in the dole. I just don't see how THIS government can afford it. It spends money quicker than it gets any.

What about this massive new tax that everyone is talking about?

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