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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #120 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 9:44pm

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

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Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

Progs, why would interning people in Malaysia be less effective than interning people in Nauru.

Also, this month has seen 1,641 arrivals. The Malaysia deal is useless in just over a week. Swan budgeted for 450 arrivals per month. We're currently getting nearly four times that.

So Nauru takes 1,200 people. It can be expanded to 1,500 people at most and can't be expanded beyond that.

By your numbers it would be full in under a month.

Then what are you going to do moron? What do you do with all the people coming after Nauru is full???

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution. The combination of TPV's, offshore processing and turning back boats was a huge disincentive and therefore few people took the chance. As a result, people were processed far quicker than they are now. Who's the moron now? Owned!!! Wink

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61019 Here Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #121 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:17pm Why not stop the boats, Tony? He does all the time: Does in his bath tub count?
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28028 Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #122 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:28pm Dnarever wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:17pm: Why not stop the boats, Tony? He does all the time: Does in his bath tub count? A childish post is indicitive of an inability to formulate a coherent argument. In simple English, you ain't got sh!t...
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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #123 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:38pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:22am:

So Nauru takes 1,200 people. It can be expanded to 1,500 people at most and can't be expanded beyond that.

By your numbers it would be full in under a month.

Then what are you going to do moron? What do you do with all the people coming after Nauru is full???

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution. The combination of TPV's, offshore processing and turning back boats was a huge disincentive and therefore few people took the chance. As a result, people were processed far quicker than they are now. Who's the moron now? Owned!!! Wink

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution

That is the point when it first opened it had a capacity no where near 800 and it didn't reach capacity even though it would have been very easy to break it this way. It didn't happen because there were no volunteers to go to Nauru and very obviously the same is true for Malaysia.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #124 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:22am:

So Nauru takes 1,200 people. It can be expanded to 1,500 people at most and can't be expanded beyond that.

By your numbers it would be full in under a month.

Then what are you going to do moron? What do you do with all the people coming after Nauru is full???

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution. The combination of TPV's, offshore processing and turning back boats was a huge disincentive and therefore few people took the chance. As a result, people were processed far quicker than they are now. Who's the moron now? Owned!!! Wink

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution

That is the point when it first opened it had a capacity no where near 800 and it didn't reach capacity even though it would have been very easy to break it this way. It didn't happen because there were no volunteers to go to Nauru and very obviously the same is true for Malaysia.

So you're saying that even though Nauru didn't have that much capacity, it wasn't even full. Sounds to me like a success! Can't say the same for Malaysia. The reason Nauru was so successful was partially because of TPV's. It wasn't solely offshore processing that did the trick, or do you still not understand that simple fact? That is precisely why Malaysia will not work.

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #125 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:41pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

SOB

Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

Progs, why would interning people in Malaysia be less effective than interning people in Nauru.

Also, this month has seen 1,641 arrivals. The Malaysia deal is useless in just over a week. Swan budgeted for 450 arrivals per month. We're currently getting nearly four times that.

So Nauru takes 1,200 people. It can be expanded to 1,500 people at most and can't be expanded beyond that.

By your numbers it would be full in under a month.

Then what are you going to do moron? What do you do with all the people coming after Nauru is full???

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution. The combination of TPV's, offshore processing and turning back boats was a huge disincentive and therefore few people took the chance. As a result, people were processed far quicker than they are now. Who's the moron now? Owned!!! Wink

Hate to break it to you dickhead but Nauru's capacity is 1200.. so by your numbers it'd be full in a month. If it wouldn't be full in a month then neither would Malaysia be done and dusted in a month for exactly the same reasons.

I know a drooling, inbred prat like you has trouble counting past all 14 fingers and toes but trust me - it's true. You are a brainless prat. Cheesy

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Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony?
Reply #126 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:50pm

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:41pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 10:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

this is complete bulls1t. abbott is opposition not government. he has no right to block gillards policy and insist she use his. she is pm. her policy is the one that he needs to let pass to save lives.

The assumption here that abbotts policy should pass is wrong. Gillard is the government. Her policy should pass and abbott is blocking it. He is responsible fpor the deaths - all in the name of politics.

Of course imo the greens idea is the best but they arent the goernment either and also cant demand thier policy be adopted.

Howards policy was removed because it was inhumane. Reinstating it is more inhumane because now we know its inhumane. Malaysia is just as bad but the government has the call. Not abbott. He is just obstructing.

SOB

Yeh yeh. If labor wanted to save lives like liberals do, then she would pass a policy that would save lives, has a track record of a raging success. She would not at this stage in the game, play experiments(malaysia policy) against peoples lives.

Pacific solution is called solution because it is.

malaysia policy is a policy, an experiment, not a solution.

Progs, why would interning people in Malaysia be less effective than interning people in Nauru.

Also, this month has seen 1,641 arrivals. The Malaysia deal is useless in just over a week. Swan budgeted for 450 arrivals per month. We're currently getting nearly four times that.

So Nauru takes 1,200 people. It can be expanded to 1,500 people at most and can't be expanded beyond that.

By your numbers it would be full in under a month.

Then what are you going to do moron? What do you do with all the people coming after Nauru is full???

Ummm, hate to break it to you but Nauru had never reached breaking point during the Pacific Solution. The combination of TPV's, offshore processing and turning back boats was a huge disincentive and therefore few people took the chance. As a result, people were processed far quicker than they are now. Who's the moron now? Owned!!! Wink

Hate to break it to you dickhead but Nauru's capacity is 1200.. so by your numbers it'd be full in a month. If it wouldn't be full in a month then neither would Malaysia be done and dusted in a month for exactly the same reasons.

I know a drooling, inbred prat like you has trouble counting past all 14 fingers and toes but trust me - it's true. You are a brainless prat. Cheesy

What the hell is that shi..

Do we now allow direct cursing to a person. Calling someone an idiot is one thing, but to call them that name is sumpin else.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #127 - Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:54pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 1^st, 2012 at 11:50pm: What the hell is that shi.. Do we now allow direct cursing to a person. Calling someone an idiot is one thing, but to call them that name is sumpin else. Cursing? What the hell is that sh!t? Cross your fingers, it'll break the curse.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #128 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 3:26am If Gillard opened Nauru and the boats kept on coming would Tony contemplate Malaysia?
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #129 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 3:34am MOTR wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 3:26am: If Gillard opened Nauru and the boats kept on coming would Tony contemplate Malaysia? I don't know....but it's certainly a question that's worth her asking Abbott....
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #130 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 3:41am Perhaps they could make the Malaysian swap contingent on Nauru reaching a certain capacity. Tony would probably insist on TPVs to wedge Labor. If Labor conceded on TPVs he'd insist on tow backs, knowing this is undeliverable.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #131 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 4:26am Well. Thing is. Something doesnt add up here from the howard era. Why were their asylum seekers in woomera? Why were they in NSW and QLD detention centres? How did they get there? Where did they get there FROM? SOB
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #132 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 10:12am Wasn't Woomera closed?
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #133 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 10:14am ..
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: Why not stop the boats, Tony? Reply #134 - Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 10:21am MOTR wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 10:12am: Wasn't Woomera closed? Its supposedly been closed now but it wasnt in howards time. Like i have mentioned before a family member worked there. SOB
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Question: Why has Abbott voted against stopping the boats.
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