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Reply #75 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...
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Reply #76 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:17pm  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...


wow ..what a story ...all of 5 words ... I bet reporter went to Uni to learn to do that?
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Re: ALP: no to offshore processing in UNHCR countries!
Reply #77 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:18pm  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...

This labor government are fwits. The Australian people see what is going on here.

liberals got the UNHCR that was requested and still that is not good enough. Gillard stating that she would never send them to countries not signed up to UNHCR but now is pushing very hard for the opposite to occur.

They are just pathetic and the most stupid bunch I have ever had the misfortune to watch run a country.
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Reply #78 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:25pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...

This labor government are fwits. The Australian people see what is going on here.

liberals got the UNHCR that was requested and still that is not good enough. Gillard stating that she would never send them to countries not signed up to UNHCR but now is pushing very hard for the opposite to occur.

They are just pathetic and the most stupid bunch I have ever had the misfortune to watch run a country.


Of course. Gillard wants to look like she is offering a compromise to the Coalition and that Abbott is saying no to it. I think the people are smarterthan that. Clearly, this is much the same bill that Gillard withdrew after Malaysia was ruled illegal by the High Court. She is only interested in playing politics and scoring cheap political points while people perish at sea needlessly. She is an absolute disgrace! Abbott offered amendments that would have given Gillard breathing room - offshore processing in any UN signatory country. She did, after all, say she would never send anyone to a non-signatory country. Now she is hellbent on doing just that by persisting on sending 4000 people to Malaysia in return for us accepting 800 from the Malaysians. Not only is she a liar, she is attempting to force upon us an inherently bad policy that is doomed to failure even if it was able to pass the Senate. All it would do would be to embolden people smugglers to send as many people as possible as quickly as possible to exceed that 800 quota and then everyone else gets processed onshore here in Australia - on top of the 4,000 we'd have to take from Malaysia no matter what. This would make the average of around 1,000 arrivals per month seem like a drop in the ocean by comparison to what we'd have to contend with under her Malaysian deal. That those on the Left cannot comprehend these simple facts is breathtaking!
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Reply #79 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:36pm  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:25pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...

This labor government are fwits. The Australian people see what is going on here.

liberals got the UNHCR that was requested and still that is not good enough. Gillard stating that she would never send them to countries not signed up to UNHCR but now is pushing very hard for the opposite to occur.

They are just pathetic and the most stupid bunch I have ever had the misfortune to watch run a country.


Of course. Gillard wants to look like she is offering a compromise to the Coalition and that Abbott is saying no to it. I think the people are smarterthan that. Clearly, this is much the same bill that Gillard withdrew after Malaysia was ruled illegal by the High Court. She is only interested in playing politics and scoring cheap political points while people perish at sea needlessly. She is an absolute disgrace! Abbott offered amendments that would have given Gillard breathing room - offshore processing in any UN signatory country. She did, after all, say she would never send anyone to a non-signatory country. Now she is hellbent on doing just that by persisting on sending 4000 people to Malaysia in return for us accepting 800 from the Malaysians. Not only is she a liar, she is attempting to force upon us an inherently bad policy that is doomed to failure even if it was able to pass the Senate. All it would do would be to embolden people smugglers to send as many people as possible as quickly as possible to exceed that 800 quota and then everyone else gets processed onshore here in Australia - on top of the 4,000 we'd have to take from Malaysia no matter what. This would make the average of around 1,000 arrivals per month seem like a drop in the ocean by comparison to what we'd have to contend with under her Malaysian deal. That those on the Left cannot comprehend these simple facts is breathtaking!

To make it even more pathetic to watch this government, they make some deal that no man would in their right mind make and that is an 800 for 4000 swap. Just pathetic.
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Reply #80 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:42pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:25pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Gillard has pushed through Rob Oakeshott's bill in the lower house and it will go to the Senate tomorrow. It's nothing short of disgraceful as it does nothing at all to address the core of the problem - there is no disincentive to people smugglers or their human cargo. Labor's so-called "Mayalsia Solution" is no solution at all and will, in fact, succeed only in making a bad problem much worse. Having said that, I do not see this bill passing in the Senate as the Greens have (rightly) said they will vote against it, as will the Coalition.

Another boat, another death, another policy failure by the Gillard government. Sound familiar???

Oakshot is just a partisan hack for sure if he would allow the malaysian solution to occur.


It's not going to happen, and just as well...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/breaking-news/abbott-to-bring-in-bill-...

This labor government are fwits. The Australian people see what is going on here.

liberals got the UNHCR that was requested and still that is not good enough. Gillard stating that she would never send them to countries not signed up to UNHCR but now is pushing very hard for the opposite to occur.

They are just pathetic and the most stupid bunch I have ever had the misfortune to watch run a country.


Of course. Gillard wants to look like she is offering a compromise to the Coalition and that Abbott is saying no to it. I think the people are smarterthan that. Clearly, this is much the same bill that Gillard withdrew after Malaysia was ruled illegal by the High Court. She is only interested in playing politics and scoring cheap political points while people perish at sea needlessly. She is an absolute disgrace! Abbott offered amendments that would have given Gillard breathing room - offshore processing in any UN signatory country. She did, after all, say she would never send anyone to a non-signatory country. Now she is hellbent on doing just that by persisting on sending 4000 people to Malaysia in return for us accepting 800 from the Malaysians. Not only is she a liar, she is attempting to force upon us an inherently bad policy that is doomed to failure even if it was able to pass the Senate. All it would do would be to embolden people smugglers to send as many people as possible as quickly as possible to exceed that 800 quota and then everyone else gets processed onshore here in Australia - on top of the 4,000 we'd have to take from Malaysia no matter what. This would make the average of around 1,000 arrivals per month seem like a drop in the ocean by comparison to what we'd have to contend with under her Malaysian deal. That those on the Left cannot comprehend these simple facts is breathtaking!

To make it even more pathetic to watch this government, they make some deal that no man would in their right mind make and that is an 800 for 4000 swap. Just pathetic.


Gillard should call it what it is - a capitulation, not a swap.
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Reply #81 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:50pm  
proves you are just a pup. Smiley

I've seen much worse... but I do think the govt should just forget about off-shore processing...  where ever.. Its not viable.. economically..or politically, nor is it righteous in labor ethics. AMONGST OTHER THINGS.

Avram has a very good point  when he says the majority of these boat arrivals are young men.
Likely they are escaping death / war in their countries. But not certain, by any means. Huh

I would expect the aus govt to focus all local available naval units to patrol, specifically those areas likely to produce a load of boat people.   Ah HA.!!!

Now.. getting slightly more paranoid.!  ....
... whilst the avail naval units are occuppied with these drowning boat people,  how many others,  NOT CONVENIENTLY CLOSE to Christmas Island, have already reached our shores, unbeknownest to us.?

   Yes, I'm suggesting a 'two-pronged' approach, ... to get many alien and un-assessed males onto our shores.  The government conveniently ships those that are intercepted to major centres,  ... as well as extremely isolated locations.
Perfect ... for a subtle infiltration of subversives. 

Much better to take control and  'bite the bullet'. Trying to fend them off is too pathetic, and I am ashamed my govt proposes such foolishness.

   So...how many have arrived,? by boat AND PLANE???

No one can possibly say. !!  And that is a worry.  All this political turmoil over what is essentially a misdirection is a worry.
It seems our surveillance of our own territorial waters is so poor,  that veritable boatloads of people appear on  'our doorstep' so to speak, un- announced, and drowning.!!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I find this whole scenario extremely suspect. Angry Cool
And I'd suggest looking just to our nth ...for the source.



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Reply #82 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:55pm  
Christine Milne is unbelievable! She says that, "Australia wouldn't be in the mess it's now in over asylum seekers if all the money spent on the Pacific Solution had been devoted to achieving a longterm solution."

Is she really that plain stupid and uneducated? In the first full year of operation, the Pacific Solution registered zero boats and zero people. At the time the policy was dismantled by Rudd (with the backing of the Greens), there was a grand total of four people in detention.

She complains about the cost of Howard's policy. Does she not know that under Howard, the cost to taxpayers was less than $100m per year, while under the ALP the cost has skyrocketed to more than $1.2bn per year??? She complains that Howard's policy was "most appalling", yet does not criticise the ALP for the hundreds (probably over one thousand) of deaths that have occurred since Rudd took over.

If we follow the advice of the Greens, the 1,000 or so we see arrive per month now would very likely be two or three times higher.

Grow a brain, Christine!

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Reply #83 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:31pm  
Gist wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 5:32pm:
Phallic Baldwin wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 2:47pm:
Question to Labor supporters for my own awareness - is there something that I am missing that would make Malaysia a more viable option despite it not being a signatory?

I'm not trying to start a flame war here - I'm genuinely interested.



whilst they aren't a signatory the government has been able to negotiate certain human rights guarantees as part of the package .... no one will get whipped or whatever other crap the libs are claiming


Thanks for answering. However I have to also ask from your response, how does that make Malaysia a more viable option? It appears to be, at best, no different to what the Libs are proposing?


My understanding is that part of the deal is that once they are processed in Malaysia, they are not guaranteed to be sent to Australia. They could be resettled anywhere. This removes the incentive for the journey to Australia in the first place.

Whereas for Nauru, the majority were resettled in Australia. Although certainly NZ took some, most of those people ended up here anyway. This is why the bureaucrats in the Dept. Immigration themselves are advising that Nauru is not a deterrent. People smugglers can point to the evidence that anyone sailing to Australia will almost certainly end up in Australia.


Thanks for elaborating further. If people smugglers knew that if processed at Nauru it would most likely result in them being resettled in Australia, why were the numbers during these years not high though? Just seems surprising that most were resettled in Australia - doesn't appear to be much of a deterrent?
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Reply #84 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:51pm  
you just don't get the picture.

'Deterrence'......... Roll Eyes  --- doesn't and won't and can't have any realistic application in this matter.

The people will keep coming.
They aren't just embarking on this type of life.threatening adventure for a wee jaunt.
Humans always find a way... and this unhealthy focus on boat arrivals being 'untouchable' is just ridiculous.!

Bring them onshore. !  No overseas 'solution' exists.!!!
It is simply a fantasy for all those unable to face the facts.

Times change people....people change times. ( ME) Smiley
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Reply #85 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:53pm  
Emma wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:51pm:
you just don't get the picture.

'Deterrence'......... Roll Eyes  --- doesn't and won't and can't have any realistic application in this matter.

The people will keep coming.
They aren't just embarking on this type of life.threatening adventure for a wee jaunt.
Humans always find a way... and this unhealthy focus on boat arrivals being 'untouchable' is just ridiculous.!

Bring them onshore. !  No overseas 'solution' exists.!!!
It is simply a fantasy for all those unable to face the facts.

Times change people....people change times. ( ME) Smiley

you just don't get the picture

The only deterent is a stay in a camp and to be processed until their identity can be verified.
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Reply #86 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:56pm  
Emma wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:51pm:
you just don't get the picture.

'Deterrence'......... Roll Eyes  --- doesn't and won't and can't have any realistic application in this matter.

The people will keep coming.
They aren't just embarking on this type of life.threatening adventure for a wee jaunt.
Humans always find a way... and this unhealthy focus on boat arrivals being 'untouchable' is just ridiculous.!

Bring them onshore. !  No overseas 'solution' exists.!!!
It is simply a fantasy for all those unable to face the facts.

Times change people....people change times. ( ME) Smiley

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Reply #87 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:43pm  
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:53pm:
Emma wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:51pm:
you just don't get the picture.

'Deterrence'......... Roll Eyes  --- doesn't and won't and can't have any realistic application in this matter.

The people will keep coming.
They aren't just embarking on this type of life.threatening adventure for a wee jaunt.
Humans always find a way... and this unhealthy focus on boat arrivals being 'untouchable' is just ridiculous.!

Bring them onshore. !  No overseas 'solution' exists.!!!
It is simply a fantasy for all those unable to face the facts.

Times change people....people change times. ( ME) Smiley

you just don't get the picture

The only deterent is a stay in a camp and to be processed until their identity can be verified
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NO..! Proglessness!! Roll Eyes Good grief!!

A deterrent is s'posed to apply to OTHER then those caught. DOH.!!!!!

Its TOO LATE to put them in a camp , as a DETERRENCE. !!

DOH!!!  dey's already here man.!!  Such nonsense seems to be the basis of this o/s processing idea.

Not rational, if you really care to think about it.!!! Cheesy
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Reply #88 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:51pm  
Emma wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:43pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:53pm:
Emma wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:51pm:
you just don't get the picture.

'Deterrence'......... Roll Eyes  --- doesn't and won't and can't have any realistic application in this matter.

The people will keep coming.
They aren't just embarking on this type of life.threatening adventure for a wee jaunt.
Humans always find a way... and this unhealthy focus on boat arrivals being 'untouchable' is just ridiculous.!

Bring them onshore. !  No overseas 'solution' exists.!!!
It is simply a fantasy for all those unable to face the facts.

Times change people....people change times. ( ME) Smiley

you just don't get the picture

The only deterent is a stay in a camp and to be processed until their identity can be verified
.


NO..! Proglessness!! Roll Eyes Good grief!!

A deterrent is s'posed to apply to OTHER then those caught. DOH.!!!!!

Its TOO LATE to put them in a camp , as a DETERRENCE. !!

DOH!!!  dey's already here man.!!  Such nonsense seems to be the basis of this o/s processing idea.

Not rational, if you really care to think about it.!!! Cheesy




No it is not too late. The deterent is for the next boat load and the next after that and so on. The word will spread and the evidence is in the liberal policy working in the past.
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Reply #89 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 12:11am  
load of rubbish there mate.  Worked in the past??


Pshawwwwpheh??
Plainly, if it had worked - no boat people would be drowning... or would have  DROWNED back then.  What's hard to understand?

Well surprise surprise. They
drowned back then too
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Just weren't as many..or we never heard about it... but THAT was just a matter of time,  ..and time has passed... and more and more dispossessed people are seeking a new life.  NO BIG SURPRISE .!!

New methods are necessary .. NOT OLD FAILED POLICY.
Angry Angry

get over it and adapt
or become a bit of cast-off waste blowing around on the edge of the nation's highways.!!!!!!!!
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