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Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Jun 20^th, 2012 at 7:36am

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/13986760/rineharts-move-a-threat-to-democracy-swan/

Just asking. Hmm.. Has Swannee been reading my post from last night on this issue? Frankly it appalls me to find my views in such close sync with a Labor acolyte......

BQ:- Does this mean there is hope for Labor once it divests itself of the feminist idiocy and restores democracy to itself?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26529 Australia	Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy? Reply #1 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:36am What has it got to do with "feminism"? SOB
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy? Reply #2 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:47am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:36am: What has it got to do with "feminism"? SOB Ditto to this post. You shot yourself in the foot, once you added an anti female slant to it
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy? Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am The only threat to democracy, not that democracy exists anyway.. Is that a percentage of the population actually take the media seriously.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87794 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy? Reply #4 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:56am My feet are a protected species.... The mention of feminism as an aside was a swipe at the concept that perhaps even within the dark confines of Swedish Sharia Labor here - there might be some light...since Buruvva Swannee stumbled for a moment there and talked some sense....
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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #5 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:01am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

The only threat to democracy, not that democracy exists anyway..
Is that a percentage of the population actually take the media seriously.

Ye-eess - but the THEORY (anyway) is that a 'free media' is one guarantee of a free society...of course - we all know that 'freedom of the press' can be a many-edged sword - and perhaps itself needs some more careful definition.

Hysterical historical footnote:- I was once confronted in an ambush interview by a gorgeous young thing backed by a camera and stuff over an issue that was currently before the courts. She tried to persuade me to speak since it was 'in the public domain'. Sorry - not to me until it is heard. 'Freedom of the Press' - like the 'freedom' or right to gain political placing here - is not open ended - the press have the right to ask questions freely - which does not translate to a right to an answer.

Similarly the right to stand for election (elbow digs feminist adherents again) here does not translate to a right to be elected.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:05am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

The only threat to democracy, not that democracy exists anyway..
Is that a percentage of the population actually take the media seriously.

Ye-eess - but the THEORY (anyway) is that a 'free media' is one guarantee of a free society...of course - we all know that 'freedom of the press' can be a many-edged sword - and perhaps itself needs some more careful definition.

Hysterical historical footnote:- I was once confronted in an ambush interview by a gorgeous young thing backed by a camera and stuff over an issue that was currently before the courts. She tried to persuade me to speak since it was 'in the public domain'. Sorry - not to me until it is heard. 'Freedom of the Press' - like the 'freedom' or right to gain political placing here - is not open ended - the press have the right to ask questions freely - which does not translate to a right to an answer.

ADDS:- AND the High Court has ruled that an 'expert opinion' - and as such is a journalist's view defined - must be based on fact, and pure opinion cannot stand alone.

Similarly the right to stand for election (elbow digs feminist adherents again) here does not translate to a right to be elected.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #7 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

The only threat to democracy, not that democracy exists anyway..
Is that a percentage of the population actually take the media seriously.

Ye-eess - but the THEORY (anyway) is that a 'free media' is one guarantee of a free society...of course - we all know that 'freedom of the press' can be a many-edged sword - and perhaps itself needs some more careful definition.

Hysterical historical footnote:- I was once confronted in an ambush interview by a gorgeous young thing backed by a camera and stuff over an issue that was currently before the courts. She tried to persuade me to speak since it was 'in the public domain'. Sorry - not to me until it is heard. 'Freedom of the Press' - like the 'freedom' or right to gain political placing here - is not open ended - the press have the right to ask questions freely - which does not translate to a right to an answer.

Similarly the right to stand for election (elbow digs feminist adherents again) here does not translate to a right to be elected.

In our current system that is a free media.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #9 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

What newspaper does not have the same bias?
You know their is a monopoly.
People clearly do want to read one sided tripe, they have been doing it for decades.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #10 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:23am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

What newspaper does not have the same bias?
You know their is a monopoly.
People clearly do want to read one sided tripe, they have been doing it for decades.

because YOU say so - an idiot. hardly a powerful argument.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #11 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

What newspaper does not have the same bias?
You know their is a monopoly.
People clearly do want to read one sided tripe, they have been doing it for decades.

because YOU say so - an idiot. hardly a powerful argument.

Well how am I wrong?

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #12 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

What newspaper does not have the same bias?
You know their is a monopoly.
People clearly do want to read one sided tripe, they have been doing it for decades.

because YOU say so - an idiot. hardly a powerful argument.

Now now - no name-calling! Let's restrict this street brawl to a few knives and Saturday night specials here...bit of eye gouging but not too much....

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #13 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:04am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Its not a threat to democracy at all. It isnt as if there is one newpaper in the country or that sydney is the only population centre in the place. If Gina controls editorial freedoms etc then the newspaper will go into decline. No-one really wants to read one-sided tripe and her competitors will flouraish at her expense. So no, it isnt a threat to democracy. It is just a threat to fairfax.

What newspaper does not have the same bias?
You know their is a monopoly.
People clearly do want to read one sided tripe, they have been doing it for decades.

because YOU say so - an idiot. hardly a powerful argument.

Well how am I wrong?

your ENTIRE argument is no more than an whinge about the financial system. with no details and no alternatives. You are like Occupy.

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Re: Is Gina's move on Farifax a threat to democracy?
Reply #14 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:38am

So GR is a threat to democracy (have to agree with PP here not really sure we have one...democracy not GR)...why?
Even if she bought the paper in toto and replaced the staff with those of her views.
If you had a paper that only printed stories favourable to the government would that be attacked as unbalanced and undemocratic?
So is it also undemocratic for a paper to print an expressed opinion if it is contrary to that held by the government? If you want to see unbalanced publication look at any government report (both Lib and Lab).
Or is the government's problem simply that of living in a free market economy? Because that is what seems to be the necessary implication. Not to mention an otherwise express restriction on free speech which would seem contrary to democratic ideals 101.
The government have a billion dollar major industry in telling us how good they are, advisors, spin doctors and PR people, all funded through taxation, putting out reams of favourable paper and how is that democratic. Show me a government paper saying "what were we thinking that was a c#@k-up and a half". They don't exist.
You want to campaign against people trying to influence your vote through print then get rid of those doing just that around polling stations.

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