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Reply #75 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 6:16pm

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Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

Patriarchs have made the stoopid self defeating comments that start "all women are..." for so long it's no wonder some women see profitt in addressing that imbalance.

How dare you suggest feminism is about profit? It is about creating a better world, free from the influence of evil patriarchs like yourself, who have oppressed womyn for so long you don't even realise you're doing it.

Awww and I was just trying to get into your pants. 'Profit' as a positive gain, it doesn't have to be about money.

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Reply #76 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 6:48pm

Well Q ...your statements consist of overarching dogma. Indeed you don't realise it at all.

'Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.- You Q

I wonder? who said that ? on this thread? Don't see that comment ...???

If its on the link... I'm not interested in reading it.
The espoused 'new feminist vision', as just put to us who don't usually consider such things, is verrry interesting....!!!

Not a bad idea ladies.

Utopian, even desirable..... but I think its likely to happen in any case,

...I think it's becoming clear, in the nature of things, ....the the major roles so long held by men in our society, are no longer in as much demand... given technology and other advances, apart from war ( not a natural female aim anyway... well not on the scale of men anywy) and holders of genes, men are basically redundant...and they know it,, evn if unable to understand and consciously internalise it. Many scientific facts concerning male potency decreasing alarmingly in recent decades, and the aging pop.... + Roll Eyes

heaps of stuff...suggest natural attrition will do the job. Wink

Hence the longing for the good old days, and the hissy fits heaped on the PM et al.

Whether MEN are able to grasp that 'the times have changed'.. or not.. and adjust accordingly.. history will show it.

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Reply #77 - Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:28am

This seems to still be a problem. the few. the few radicals in the feminist movement wrecking it for everyone else and the few deadbeats who still want women to stay in the kitchen (which is impossible now anyway).

the thing is that throughout history it has been the radicals that have managed to change things so maybe we need them to be there for a lil longer.

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Reply #78 - Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:28am:

This seems to still be a problem. the few. the few radicals in the feminist movement wrecking it for everyone else and the few deadbeats who still want women to stay in the kitchen (which is impossible now anyway).

the thing is that throughout history it has been the radicals that have managed to change things so maybe we need them to be there for a lil longer.

SOB

They must not of wrecked it too bad cause they still won.

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Reply #79 - Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 10:52am

Emma wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

I support equality but in my view the reality is that the feminist movment hurt more woman and families particularly than it helped as unfortunate as that is.

Is that because you couldn't wear shorts when you burnt your bra DNA?

No its more because many Women lost the right to choose to stay home and look after their children.

It is because the big winners out of the feminist movement have been corporations who now get two workers from a family for the price of one. To move towards wage equality has meant as much a real money wage drop for men as an increase for woman. At the end of the day the biggest overall impact has been that one average male wage will no longer pay the bills for an average family.

For many Women the idea was the option to work but the reality for most has become the necessity to work.

[i]Women went after choice but got a swap of the mandatory option. They have gone from working not being a viable option to where not working has become not a viable option while in terms of total family income the benefit has been negligible.[/i]

Singles and career women are in front but the average female has paid dearly for the few to benefit.

I support the principals and am dissapointed that it has been an abject failure.

And this is down to Feminism? Surely you speak of economic pressures here.
After all, isn't greed and economic rationalism the raison d'etre of NOW.? Women are not exempt from these pressures.

Seems you lay all the ills of the world on Feminism's doorstep.

Get real!, pussy, or is that Mouse????
Nice to have more than half the world's pop. to blame eh? Huh

And this is down to Feminism?

Yep sure is - the feminist movement was exploited for economic gain by the business sector.

I am not blaming anyone, the fact that in the end the feminist movement was exploited and has hurt more women than it helped is just a sad truth.

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Reply #80 - Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 11:40am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:56am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:28am:

This seems to still be a problem. the few. the few radicals in the feminist movement wrecking it for everyone else and the few deadbeats who still want women to stay in the kitchen (which is impossible now anyway).

the thing is that throughout history it has been the radicals that have managed to change things so maybe we need them to be there for a lil longer.

SOB

They must not of wrecked it too bad cause they still won.

Haha I meant they wreck it like "peaceful protests" get wrecked. Obviously they didnt wreck it when they started it though they were needed.

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Reply #81 - Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 12:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 10:52am:

Emma wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

I support equality but in my view the reality is that the feminist movment hurt more woman and families particularly than it helped as unfortunate as that is.

Is that because you couldn't wear shorts when you burnt your bra DNA?

No its more because many Women lost the right to choose to stay home and look after their children.

It is because the big winners out of the feminist movement have been corporations who now get two workers from a family for the price of one. To move towards wage equality has meant as much a real money wage drop for men as an increase for woman. At the end of the day the biggest overall impact has been that one average male wage will no longer pay the bills for an average family.

For many Women the idea was the option to work but the reality for most has become the necessity to work.

[i]Women went after choice but got a swap of the mandatory option. They have gone from working not being a viable option to where not working has become not a viable option while in terms of total family income the benefit has been negligible.[/i]

Singles and career women are in front but the average female has paid dearly for the few to benefit.

I support the principals and am dissapointed that it has been an abject failure.

And this is down to Feminism? Surely you speak of economic pressures here.
After all, isn't greed and economic rationalism the raison d'etre of NOW.? Women are not exempt from these pressures.

Seems you lay all the ills of the world on Feminism's doorstep.

Get real!, pussy, or is that Mouse????
Nice to have more than half the world's pop. to blame eh? Huh

And this is down to Feminism?

Yep sure is - the feminist movement was exploited for economic gain by the business sector.

I am not blaming anyone, the fact that in the end the feminist movement was exploited and has hurt more women than it helped is just a sad truth.

Capitalism has exploited everybody Dna. You cannot blame women for the fact that labour saving devices have failed to kick in to save hours of work. Neither can you blame the emancipation of women for the fact that nuclear fasmilies now require two wages where one would've sufficed. Capitalists would've got women working regardless, just as they are now pushing to get the last hour out of the old, sick and maimed.

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Re: Is Feminism Still Relevant?
Reply #83 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 2:28pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:28am:

This seems to still be a problem. the few. the few radicals in the feminist movement wrecking it for everyone else and the few deadbeats who still want women to stay in the kitchen (which is impossible now anyway).

The thing is that throughout history it has been the radicals that have managed to change things so maybe we need them to be there for a lil longer.

SOB

Hmm - so this means that feminism is not relevant, since the only disputes seem to be between the rabid minorities at both ends?

The radicals rarely change anything unless it is by force - and most of the advances in social etc conditions have been nothing more than part of the ongoing process for better rights and lifestyle etc for all - a process - BTW - which was interrupted by feminism with its active discrimination, campaigns against men's genuine equalities, and so forth.

Once those crying issues are resolved, we can get on to actually working out what true equality is.

One thing it ain't is continuing to hand women privilege and power without responsibility, and handing to the state to pun9ish anyone who disagrees - as occurs under EEO in job applications and promotions etc, in DV issues, and so forth.

It is for those reasons - and a few others - that I have deemed the feminist years as a Reign of Terror.

e.g. refusal to employ or promote a capable man because he understands EEO - but does not accept it as a proper policy since it involves deliberate direct discrimination (and any number of other reason why it is a wrongful policy) - is an act of violence, theft of equality and rights, and economic disempowerment as a means of punishment for 'wrongful thinking', installation of a man-hostile work environment, the exercise of proxy social and though control in advance, and of social control by force and by theft of income.

(translates:- You don't sign your life and soul up to something you know is wrong, and we'll steal from you your right to fair treatment and a fair income, thus leading to a secure life and decent retirement, for your work and abilities).

Reign of Terror anyone? Shocked

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Reply #84 - Jun 26^th, 2012 at 6:26am

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The radicals rarely change anything unless it is by force - and most of the advances in social etc conditions have been nothing more than part of the ongoing process for better rights and lifestyle etc for all - a process - BTW - which was interrupted by feminism with its active discrimination, campaigns against men's genuine equalities, and so forth.

If it wasnt for the radicals in the early feminism movements women wouldn't be voting and working today. They would still be riding sidesaddle. etcetc. What was "interrupted" was the push to have women "get back where they belong" by the men who realised they were getting out. My mother was involved in the womens movement and has told me about it.

Now of course the pendulum is swinging a bit. But in those early years radical feminism was needed.

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Reply #85 - Jun 26^th, 2012 at 8:42pm

[Reign of Terror anyone? Shocked

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Weirdo........
thanks but no thanks, we've had enough of the reign of terror ..... male dominance over women and children.
Times they are a changing.... too bad you are too set in concrete to see any benefits. poor thing... oh.. hope you don't have any kids. You'd do in their heads with your dogma.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26589 Australia	Re: Is Feminism Still Relevant? Reply #86 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 6:07am Just reread grapplers post. You know grappler usually does some pretty good posts but this time its a lil weird. Nobody i know has found the workplace to be hostile towards men. What the heck industry do you work in grappler? SOB
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Reply #87 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 9:50am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 26^th, 2012 at 6:26am:

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The radicals rarely change anything unless it is by force - and most of the advances in social etc conditions have been nothing more than part of the ongoing process for better rights and lifestyle etc for all - a process - BTW - which was interrupted by feminism with its active discrimination, campaigns against men's genuine equalities, and so forth.

If it wasnt for the radicals in the early feminism movements women wouldn't be voting and working today. They would still be riding sidesaddle. etcetc. What was "interrupted" was the push to have women "get back where they belong" by the men who realised they were getting out. My mother was involved in the womens movement and has told me about it.

Now of course the pendulum is swinging a bit. But in those early years radical feminism was needed.

SOB

Cane toads were brought here for a reason too. Remind me how that worked out again?

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Reply #88 - Jun 27^th, 2012 at 10:58am

Quantum wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 6:05pm:

This is gold and perfect timing. This is what you are defending grey.

... wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm:

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Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

Patriarchs have made the stoopid self defeating comments that start "all women are..." for so long it's no wonder some women see profitt in addressing that imbalance.

How dare you suggest feminism is about profit? It is about creating a better world, free from the influence of evil patriarchs like yourself, who have oppressed womyn for so long you don't even realise you're doing it.

These new feminist don't want any male help. We are all evil and should be eliminated. This is what the extremes of feminism has become. Us men are like Jews in the eyes of Himmler. Something to be used before being exterminated.

That's right, Quantum. These new feminists - the fashionable ones in overalls and work boots - don't want any male help. They're separatists. They just want to live together in a big commune and have sex with each other.

Disgusting.

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