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Is Feminism Still Relevant?
Jun 19th, 2012 at 6:51am
 
Is it? I see some blokes on here call ALL females "feminists". What does that mean? Are all women feminists? Are there some that arent?

Why does it seem to be the so-called "righties" that call them that? What does it mean when they do it? Its like they are trying to insult women but what is the insult in it?

What would a woman have to do to NOT be a feminist?

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Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 7:08am
 
Like Germaine Greer. I am woman hear me roar.

I think there are still a few around, especially in the workplace. They're pretty annoying, especially when they put men down, that's not equality.

They're the same as male chauvinists, but when you pull them up on it they deny it of course.

The hard core feminist would believe that there is no job a man can do that a woman can't do as well. I don't agree with their cat cry about being equal on all fronts.

I'm not a feminist, I'm a humanist and overly competitive people annoy me. Who cares what they've got to prove?
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Reply #2 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 9:49am
 
Absolutely not.
The opposite is now needed.
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Reply #3 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 10:30am
 
I see teh ppl that go on about "feminism" arent posting. I want to know what it is that makes all the women here feminists.

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Reply #4 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:25am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 6:51am:
Is it? I see some blokes on here call ALL females "feminists". What does that mean? Are all women feminists? Are there some that arent?

Why does it seem to be the so-called "righties" that call them that? What does it mean when they do it? Its like they are trying to insult women but what is the insult in it?

What would a woman have to do to NOT be a feminist?

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Who are these people who call all females feminists?

Why does the thread title not match the content? You ask an interesting question then launch into something unconnected.

To answer the thread title, is feminism still relevant? I would say barely.
It has achieved what it set out to achieve. The vast majority, if not all, the reforms outlined by the 1st and 2nd wave have been accomplished. Can you show me one area where women aren't allowed equality of opportunity?

To keep it relevant, the 3rd wave, and some 2nd wavers, have had to invent new problems. They've invented new forms of oppression everywhere, even to the extent if you disagree with a feminist you're deemed sexist or misogynistic.
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Reply #5 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:38am
 
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Why does the thread title not match the content? You ask an interesting question then launch into something unconnected.


the title is just one of the questions

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Can you show me one area where women aren't allowed equality of opportunity?


In australia im not sure if they are allowed on the front lines yet. Also theres still some jobs labelled "womens jobs" that are paid less. However i pretty much agree that its mostly irrelevant nowadays except for the exceptions of course.

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even to the extent if you disagree with a feminist you're deemed sexist or misogynistic.


Doesnt that depend what you are disagreeing about?

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Reply #6 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:52am
 
I wonder how our society would react if Muslims believed that women should be obeyed and men should walk behind their wives and wear burkhas in public? Or if men were being held in brothels as sex slaves? As far as I can see women continue to be paid less for the same work, continue to be under represented in parliment and top echelon jobs. Young women continue to have less expectations than their male counterparts in all walks of life.

Gender equality still requires vigilance IMO.
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I wonder how our society would react if Muslims believed that women should be obeyed and men should walk behind their wives and wear burkhas in public? Or if men were being held in brothels as sex slaves? As far as I can see women continue to be paid less for the same work, continue to be under represented in parliment and top echelon jobs. Young women continue to have less expectations than their male counterparts in all walks of life.

Gender equality still requires vigilance IMO.


I wonder who you might be sucking up to Grey?

Actually I think that you don't possess any common sense at all.

You are commonly known as a moron  Grin

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Reply #8 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
Couldn't be bothered posting in this anti-democratic movement.

It's pretty silly for humans.
Might do well for sheep, but not too good for humans.
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Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:47pm
 
I support equality but in my view the reality is that the feminist movment hurt more woman and families particularly than it helped as unfortunate as that is.
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Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:51pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:47pm:
I support equality but in my view the reality is that the feminist movment hurt more woman and families particularly than it helped as unfortunate as that is.




Is that because you couldn't wear shorts when you burnt your bra DNA?
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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
Q. How many Feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

A. Trick Question.  Feminism never changed anything.

Q. How many Feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

A. One to change the bulb, one to bitch about how the socket is being exploited by the bulb's obvious phallic nature, and one that wishes she was the socket.
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Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
I'm a Top Contributor on Yahoo's Gender Studies line - and let me say this - I do not call every woman a 'feminist' - and I have friends around the world on that site, most of them women.

IGOR'S GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED BY THE GRAPPLER
Feminism - the Feminism that represents legitimate issues and aspirations of genuine women.

Faux Feminism -  the extreme end of feminism that is dedicated to domination and control of society.  As divorced from Feminism and feminism.

feminism - the lip service style of feminism, the unthinking style of accepting whatever is fed to the speaker, Useful Idiots, those too dumb to know the difference.

Baby Feminists - kids just out of school who parrot the official feminist line without any real understanding of the real world.  Can also apply to recent immigrants, or even to older people new to the arguments.

Those are the yardsticks which I use...love 'em?

No - feminism is no longer relevant - womne have had full equal rights in society for ages now - and a lot of privileges such as perpetual EEO (once designed to be a temporary fix to the perceived lack of opportunity for women, but now a mile deep in concrete); unfair child custody and divorce that give them power both inside the family home pre-divorce and then outside it after; deliberately violent DV 'laws' that are nothing more than an abuse of legal process and of men directly and which constitute a Reign of Terror and a crime against humanity (you may ask some time); deliberately perverted education system since 1986 to favour girls over boys with predictable results as we are seeing right now with declining men's education and prospects and the disastrous supplanting of ability and knowledge with book learning, and so forth.

What has feminism to 'fight' for here today?  Absolutely nothing except the claimed 'level playing field' that they are resisting at all costs - since it would restore to men and boys their equal rights.

As for the rest of the world?  Feminism, with its rhetorical intrusions into other nations, is abrogating the rights of those nations to self-government, and is creating a situation in many where we of the West, because of the never-ending feminist virulent verbal attacks, are seen as 'crusaders' and 'cultural imperialists' - which, in turn, creates insecurity and potential terrorism for the West.
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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 8:16pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:38am:
[quote]In australia im not sure if they are allowed on the front lines yet. Also theres still some jobs labelled "womens jobs" that are paid less.
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Women are not allowed in frontline positions for a number of reasons - primarily that a vastly higher percentage of them lack the physical strength and the stamina.   The few who do prove the rule - not the other way around.  Then there are any number of other problems - but my primary one is this - We of the West have been fighting in recent years what are essentially 'colonial wars' against easy-beats - and the fighting has been minimal, as have the casualties and the necessity for any prolonged exposure to continuous combat.  'Women in combat' is the product of the mistaken belief that this will always be the case, and that therefore it is somehow 'safe' and 'equality' to put women at the sharp end.  Sharp end at the moment?  Where exactly is that apart from the very few in direct contact with the  enemy at any give time?

Secondly - on 'women's jobs that pay lower' - where exactly are these?  The banks?  The public service?  Teaching?  Nursing?  extra numbers in medicine, pharmacy etc?  All 'protected jobs' with easy conditions, luxury conditions by comparison with real work, and all well paid for the work they do.

Furthermore - immediately prior to the 2007 election, I looked into a feminist website touting women in politics (could be the one run by a past girlfriend of mine).  It touted that women receive 89% of the 'wages' that men do.  Further inquiry showed that women actually perform 36.8% of work hours while being 43% of the workforce.  That comes down to a simple figure - they are - on those government figures overall, entitled to take home pre-tax an INCOME - not WAGES - of 84.45% that of men.

Thus, by feminist and (mangina) government figures themselves, women actually receive a bonus or premium of 4.55% just to go to work in air-conditioned conditions and sit around most of the day.

So...er...your argument was?

What about demanding 50% CEOs?  The government itself, by its imposition of AA/EEO, has decreed, through the implementation of that policy through policy (it is not law!!) that an organisation can set its own policy in determining its promotion etc process.

Ya with me so far?

Therefore, a company/organisation has the unmitigated right to choose for itself who it will or won't have to head its runnings - for its own best interests.  Which ever dodo you promote in the public service to push twelve papers around a day may not matter - but it matters in the real world.

What about quota representation in elected government itself?

Well - sorry for all you ideologues out there - whether you be fascists/communists/ultra-socialists or whatever - but here in MY country it is We, The People who will decide who we will offer the privilege of representing us!  And not some jumped-up clown-lead party that seeks its justifications from some benighted midnight sun country of 7 million people, with the highest divorce rate in the world, Uberkontrolled economy and social life, and where men can be charged with rape under all sorts of ridiculous 'laws'.

Like linking the price of petroleum here with Singapore - a pissant island, linking our social life in this vast country to small and narrow-minded Sweden is total lunacy and only has one aim - removal of real rights!

Damn - they even make Volvos!
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Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 8:20pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
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I wonder how our society would react if Muslims believed that women should be obeyed and men should walk behind their wives and wear burkhas in public? Or if men were being held in brothels as sex slaves? As far as I can see women continue to be paid less for the same work, continue to be under represented in parliment and top echelon jobs. Young women continue to have less expectations than their male counterparts in all walks of life.

Gender equality still requires vigilance IMO.


I wonder who you might be sucking up to Grey?

Actually I think that you don't possess any common sense at all.

You are commonly known as a moron  Grin



Well we can trade insults if you like I'mmad but I don't really think you have the imagination for it.
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