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Reply #60 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:58am

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:28pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 5:34pm:

I was talking about australia though. I noticed the trend a few years ago that men were getting custody more often. The situation with my sister is ridiculous imo and seems to be overcompensation on the part of the judge or laws for giving it to women for so long.

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Not a link though. You prolly made it up.

SOB SoReN.

you obviously didnt read the whole thread - or comprehend. I gave examples and the extreme example of my sister. The person i was talking to (not you obviously) pointed out that there arent any statistics.

However. This is how things work. They move in one direction then the other before coming to rest in the middle. The fact that it seems to be veering in the opposite direction from a few years ago is good because it may even up a bit soon.

As pointed out before a lot of men simply dont want the kids. They want access to them but not to look after them.

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Reply #61 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:58pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Might I add this - as a student of Terrorism etc - many countries view the feminist push as not only an attack on their culture - but on their God, on whom that culture is based.

Why is it that feminists sitting in the West cannot see that they are not only creating violence and hostility against the women they claim to be freeing from oppression, through proselytising that these women should change their 'God-given' role as women on that culture- but they are also inflaming those cultures to a backlash against the West (as if they needed inflaming!)?

This is a serious security risk, and will cost lives.

ADDS:- Not only that - but where is this vaunted 'respect' and 'equality' for those cultures?

Can you not see how deeply insulting that entire approach is to them?

Absolutely and I have no time for the sort of 'moral relativism' you're preaching. torture is wrong, stoning people to death for bonking is wrong, don't care where it is.

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Reply #62 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 9:57pm

right on grey!!
No matter WHERE it is.

And , scoff if you like, Mice, but its happening here, everyday. Not just overseas, but right here in good old Oz, where everyone gets a fair go. Don't make me laugh. Roll Eyes

Perhaps your brain doesn't want to hear about it?

To my mind.... the worst example of equality would be ..
(horror story)

when Women...kill as many husbands and partners, .....

as Men now kill 'their' women and children.!!! Sad

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Reply #63 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 10:19pm

Emma wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 9:57pm:

right on grey!!
No matter WHERE it is.

And , scoff if you like, Mice, but its happening here, everyday. Not just overseas, but right here in good old Oz, where everyone gets a fair go. Don't make me laugh. Roll Eyes

Perhaps your brain doesn't want to hear about it?

To my mind.... the worst example of equality would be ..
(horror story)

when Women...kill as many husbands and partners, .....

as Men now kill 'their' women and children.!!! Sad

How about when as many women die in war as men as an example of equality?

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102910	Re: Is Feminism Still Relevant? Reply #64 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 10:48pm Sounds like something you'd hear on Fox News. How many women are prepared to defend our borders over in Eeraq? For some strange reason, a number of women have been fighting for front-line combat positions for years. They must be completely nuts.
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Reply #65 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm

No not completely nuts Karnal, just because they don't think the same way you do.

People are people, male or female, and it doesn't seem strange to me that some women want to contribute in such a direct manner to our nations concerns.

But its not just nationalistic fervour. At a much deeper level , its a genuine desire to pit oneself against whatever comes your way, and the will to strive, to overcome, these challenges. Not really much different from the ideals of males who volunteer, as far as I see it.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26588 Australia	Re: Is Feminism Still Relevant? Reply #66 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:35am There was a thread about women in the military but I cant find it now SOB
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Reply #67 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 9:49am

Emma wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 11:29pm:

No not completely nuts Karnal, just because they don't think the same way you do.

People are people, male or female, and it doesn't seem strange to me that some women want to contribute in such a direct manner to our nations concerns.

But its not just nationalistic fervour. At a much deeper level , its a genuine desire to pit oneself against whatever comes your way, and the will to strive, to overcome, these challenges. Not really much different from the ideals of males who volunteer, as far as I see it.

What, fighting the hun is the same as volunteering at your local church?

If there was any way I could get out of combat, I would do it. If there was any way I could avoid joining the army and being yelled at all day, I would do it.

Fighting for the equal right to fight on the front lines is the same as fighting for the right to marry if you ask me.

Equally life threatening.

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Reply #68 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:34am

Absolutely feminsim is still relevant. What sort of mysognystic caveman would even suggest that it's not? There is still much to be acheived, much of which is explained in this excellent essay by one of my favourite fellow feminists. The whole essay makes for great, enlightening reading, but to sum up:

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Some say an earth with only 10% men will be a safe earth free of oppression. We need more of these visions.

My own personal vision is that women will cure the sickness that ails men and that men will stay around, hunkered in their man-caves playing the ukelele, leaving us in peace at last. As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification.

I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy

http://radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/

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Reply #69 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:36am

... wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:34am:

Absolutely feminsim is still relevant. What sort of mysognystic caveman would even suggest that it's not? There is still much to be acheived, much of which is explained in this excellent essay by one of my favourite fellow feminists. The whole essay makes for great, enlightening reading, but to sum up:

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Some say an earth with only 10% men will be a safe earth free of oppression. We need more of these visions.

My own personal vision is that women will cure the sickness that ails men and that men will stay around, hunkered in their man-caves playing the ukelele, leaving us in peace at last. As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification.

I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy

http://radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/

I think its lovely your husband has installed WiFi in your house so you can post your opinion from the kitchen.

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Reply #70 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 12:28pm

... wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:34am:

Absolutely feminsim is still relevant. What sort of mysognystic caveman would even suggest that it's not? There is still much to be acheived, much of which is explained in this excellent essay by one of my favourite fellow feminists. The whole essay makes for great, enlightening reading, but to sum up:

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Some say an earth with only 10% men will be a safe earth free of oppression. We need more of these visions.

My own personal vision is that women will cure the sickness that ails men and that men will stay around, hunkered in their man-caves playing the ukelele, leaving us in peace at last. As to what that cure may be, my best bet is that what’s wrong with men is that their androgens need genetic modification.

I’m serious about this. If we can do it with corn, men ought to be easy

http://radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/

It's always funny how those who complain the most about stupid misogynist men, are nothing but misandrist women.

If it wasn't for the few women who are nothing but man haters, there wouldn't be such a growing backlash against feminism, and therefore there wouldn't be people asking if feminism was still relevant.

Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

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Reply #72 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:58pm

Grey wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

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Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

Patriarchs have made the stoopid self defeating comments that start "all women are..." for so long it's no wonder some women see profitt in addressing that imbalance.

Apart from the old rebut that two wrongs don't make a right, can you not see the difference here? Perhaps not, since by your reply you have shown that you don't seem to understand what a self defeating comment is. Let me explain.

Saying that all women are sluts is not a self defeating comment. It's just a sexist and inaccurate comment.

Saying that all men are sexist is a self defeating comment. This is because the comment itself is sexist, and therefore is itself the very thing it was accusing an entire group of being.

Have a read of that website before you go defending the type of feminist I'm attacking. They are basically talking about wiping 3 billion people out and genetically changing the few men left to make the world a perfect place. Even if it is a joke it is seriously sick.

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Reply #73 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm

Grey wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

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Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

Patriarchs have made the stoopid self defeating comments that start "all women are..." for so long it's no wonder some women see profitt in addressing that imbalance.

How dare you suggest feminism is about profit? It is about creating a better world, free from the influence of evil patriarchs like yourself, who have oppressed womyn for so long you don't even realise you're doing it.

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Reply #74 - Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 6:05pm

This is gold and perfect timing. This is what you are defending grey.

... wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Grey wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

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Perhaps if they didn't make such stupid self defeating comments such as; 'All men are sexist', then feminist may be taken more serious today.

Patriarchs have made the stoopid self defeating comments that start "all women are..." for so long it's no wonder some women see profitt in addressing that imbalance.

How dare you suggest feminism is about profit? It is about creating a better world, free from the influence of evil patriarchs like yourself, who have oppressed womyn for so long you don't even realise you're doing it.

These new feminist don't want any male help. We are all evil and should be eliminated. This is what the extremes of feminism has become. Us men are like Jews in the eyes of Himmler. Something to be used before being exterminated.

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