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Reply #15 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 8:47pm
 
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The Grappler - here in MY country it is We, The People who will decide who we will offer the privilege of representing us!  And not some jumped-up clown-lead party that seeks its justifications from some benighted midnight sun country of 7 million people,


And Bush v Gore  /  Obama v McCain is the best We, The People can come up with out of your 313.5 million choices is it? Judging from the society revealed by your entertainment industry We, The Sun-soaked are not surprised.  Grin
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Reply #16 - Jun 19th, 2012 at 10:09pm
 
i get your drift grey
I doubt whats 's name the yank, understands.

There is definitely still a real and necessary need for society to more fully embrace females as equals.
Note my language.?
.. and surely you recall recent stats which show that women continue to receive less payment than males, for the same service. Across the board, pretty much.  So claims to the contrary are simply not true.

Society, .......as shown by claims made , above, of unfair treatment for males, especially in CSA cases, ...as an example, ...... is not effective as we live it.

There is inequity to both sexes, in much of our current legislation, and that is symptomatic of the failure of society to recognise individuality, and the insistence that everyone fits a mould.

Lets face it kids, ( m&f) if we don't look after ourselves, we can't reasonably expect others to care..
and anecdotally , and from observance, . Men are their own worst enemies when it comes to marital conflict, ....
and I really BELIEVE that if, as a society, we (men) had more respect for the role of women, in all facets of society, ..
that MEN wouldn't feel the need to kill their spouses and children, quite as often as is happening NOW.


Imagine for a second fellas,  actually trusting and loving your spouse,...??!  And being  a good father and husband, without resentment.!??

HARD isn't it?

I've  met and understood enough Aus men to know that , for many many of them,  misogyny is the way of life.!! To think differently would be very disturbing.!!

But hey, not all of you.
I have hopes for the future... sort of. Many humanist options need to be pursued.

So yes, I have to say ,  Smiley, Feminism is still necessary.     It represents a hope, a chance for better things for us all,... not the doom expounded by the anti's.



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Reply #17 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:41am
 
Grey wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:52am:
I wonder how our society would react if Muslims believed that women should be obeyed and men should walk behind their wives and wear burkhas in public? Or if men were being held in brothels as sex slaves? As far as I can see women continue to be paid less for the same work, continue to be under represented in parliment and top echelon jobs. Young women continue to have less expectations than their male counterparts in all walks of life.

Gender equality still requires vigilance IMO.


Yeah not many want the role reversed. Its not just muslims either,. I have seen some pretty darn oppressive xtians and bahais. The AOG in australia tells women they exist to serve men.

Yeah we do still have a ways to go but we have come a long way and each generation seems better than the last. Hmm kinda. Theres a bit of weirdness in the generation thats around 30 now.

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Reply #18 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:43am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 12:47pm:
I support equality but in my view the reality is that the feminist movment hurt more woman and families particularly than it helped as unfortunate as that is.


How did it do that?

It got women recognised as people that can do anything instead of being slaves to men. Can you imagine the sheer boredom a woman would feel in this age where there are washing machines and dishwashers if she had to stay home all day? The housework only takes a couple hours instead of all day.

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Reply #19 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:49am
 
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unfair child custody and divorce that give them power both inside the family home pre-divorce and then outside it after


Not from what i have seen. The reason the mother used to always get the kids is because she is who looked after them while the father went to work. This has changed now and the unemployed father can get custody even if he beat the mother in front of the children. The unfairness is both ways.

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deliberately perverted education system since 1986 to favour girls over boys with predictable results as we are seeing right now with declining men's education and prospects and the disastrous supplanting of ability and knowledge with book learning, and so forth.


What is this? Can you explain please?

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As for the rest of the world?  Feminism, with its rhetorical intrusions into other nations, is abrogating the rights of those nations to self-government, and is creating a situation in many where we of the West, because of the never-ending feminist virulent verbal attacks, are seen as 'crusaders' and 'cultural imperialists' - which, in turn, creates insecurity and potential terrorism for the West.

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While i actually agree that we shouldn't be interfering most would say that we are "freeing" the women so they can vote or walk down the street without being killed. Of course our definition of "rreeing" ppl is killing them so no win there.

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Reply #20 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:56am
 
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Secondly - on 'women's jobs that pay lower' - where exactly are these?  The banks?  The public service?  Teaching?  Nursing?  extra numbers in medicine, pharmacy etc?  All 'protected jobs' with easy conditions, luxury conditions by comparison with real work, and all well paid for the work they do.


Real work? WTF is "real work"? you think a brickie should be paid more because he lifts more bricks? What a tired old line. Teachers and nurses are way more useful than a brickie.

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Furthermore - immediately prior to the 2007 election, I looked into a feminist website touting women in politics (could be the one run by a past girlfriend of mine).  It touted that women receive 89% of the 'wages' that men do.  Further inquiry showed that women actually perform 36.8% of work hours while being 43% of the workforce.  That comes down to a simple figure - they are - on those government figures overall, entitled to take home pre-tax an INCOME - not WAGES - of 84.45% that of men.


Yes. And the reason for this is that women are offered part time jobs when men get full time jobs. In fact most women are expected to work parttime instead of fulltime.

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Thus, by feminist and (mangina) government figures themselves, women actually receive a bonus or premium of 4.55% just to go to work in air-conditioned conditions and sit around most of the day.


WTF? You think all women sit in air conditioned offices and dont do anything all day? Dont the figures say its 43%? That means its 57% men sitting around in air conditioned offices doing nothing all day.

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Reply #21 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Grey wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
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And Bush v Gore  /  Obama v McCain is the best We, The People can come up with out of your 313.5 million choices is it? Judging from the society revealed by your entertainment industry We, The Sun-soaked are not surprised.  Grin


(**coughs**) - I'm an Australian - and my use of We, the People is a sometimes futile attempt to get people to realise that it is they who hold true power in this land - and that they should both act that way and demand that they be treated that way.

Is there a point in slagging Obama and co?  e.g. - do you disagree with the will of the people, and would rather that we have an imposed democracy, handed down to us by a select group? Grin
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Reply #22 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:17am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:43am:
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It got women recognised as people that can do anything instead of being slaves to men. Can you imagine the sheer boredom a woman would feel in this age where there are washing machines and dishwashers if she had to stay home all day? The housework only takes a couple hours instead of all day.

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The Pill got women recognised as available work fodder - not as people who can 'do anything' - since every person is an individual and each his his/her own limitations.

Imagine how boring it would be for men these days - when rather than plugging away in filthy factories, they can just sit around unemployed and vilified for doing so. Grin
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Reply #23 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:22am
 
According to many many studies many women CHOOSE to work part-time - all that other is guff - and the reason they work 43% of hours is that they get into jobs that only require the hours they want, they don't do as much overtime

You cannot honestly say that in this day and age women are somehow kept out of full-time jobs - in fact the opposite is true and men are - unless they are jobs that involve hard work in the open.

One woman driving a tip truck on a mining site doth not a forest make.....

The fact is that while most women work shorter hours in air conditioned jobs - it is still primarily men who work the longer hours in the difficult and dangerous jobs - as clearly shown by work statistics.

As for 'Australian men being misogynistic' - I think you need to look up the true definition of that vastly over-used word instead of the silly feminist one that plays the guilt trip and the finger-pointing game as a means of avoiding fact. Grin
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Reply #24 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:26am
 
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Secondly - on 'women's jobs that pay lower' - where exactly are these?  The banks?  The public service?  Teaching?  Nursing?  extra numbers in medicine, pharmacy etc?  All 'protected jobs' with easy conditions, luxury conditions by comparison with real work, and all well paid for the work they do.


Real work? WTF is "real work"? you think a brickie should be paid more because he lifts more bricks? What a tired old line. Teachers and nurses are way more useful than a brickie.

You reckon a brickie is less useful and deserves less pay and kudos for his constructive work, labour and expertise?

Now THAT is precisely the problem with Australia at the moment!

Teachers are more useful?  At what these days?  Look at the failings of the education system and talk.

Nurses have their uses - the hours are regulated and under cover.

The brickie works outside in the weather etc, the work is hard, and he builds things!

Poor fellow, my country - when people make silly comparisons like that. Grin


ADDS:-  Where are these women who are offered part-time jobs MORE so than men are?  The public service?  Nursing?  Teaching? Construction? Retail?  The Armed Services? Grin

The fact is that we live in a country where most full-time constructive work has vanished and will continue to vanish - and countless hundreds of thousands are unemployed or on piece-work or part-time casual (<1 in 13 of our total workforce - so they say - more than 2 kids in a class of 26 will be unemployed every day of their life), and this has been the case for decades now. Shocked

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Reply #25 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:28am
 
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(**coughs**) - I'm an Australian - and my use of We, the People is a sometimes futile attempt to get people to realise that it is they who hold true power in this land - and that they should both act that way and demand that they be treated that way.


No we dont. We vote thats ALL.

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Imagine how boring it would be for men these days - when rather than plugging away in filthy factories, they can just sit around unemployed and vilified for doing so.


Not sure what you mean by this but nobody can do that.

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As for 'Australian men being misogynistic' - I think you need to look up the true definition of that vastly over-used word instead of the silly feminist one that plays the guilt trip and the finger-pointing game as a means of avoiding fact.


Did i say that? I dont think so.

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Reply #26 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:35am
 
No - YOU didn't say 'Aust men are misogynistic' - some ideologue did.

I just tossed that one in with the rest - otherwise I'll be here all day - and I have a country to save from itself!  And it ain't the US of A!

The reason we don't have that power is that we remain silent, and that we have no real voice in politics - not while ever we have a government of two parties run by agenda and ideologies that are not approved by We, the People.

That's why I call them the Tag Team - one gives us a hiding with their ideology - then the other gets a shot.

Time for a new party! Smiley
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Reply #27 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:58am
 
Well, you bat yourself into a desirable position when you see the writing on the wall.
The feminist writing stated to me that they want me to work for them forever, or until I drop dead.
I didn't really like those terms, and chose a different path. One which has employers in a spin.
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Reply #28 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:19am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:25am:
It has achieved what it set out to achieve. The vast majority, if not all, the reforms outlined by the 1st and 2nd wave have been accomplished. Can you show me one area where women aren't allowed equality of opportunity?


Sure. The vast majority of the world. India, Central Asia, the Middle East, Africa.

Less than 20% of the world's population live in developed countries. The rest live in rural villages or rapidly industrialising cities.

Equal wages, child care, shelter from domestic violence, etc, rates a mention in a few places, but not many.

Take India. The middle classes are well-educated and informed. Women's issues get a fair bit of airplay on TV, in parliament, and in general political debate.

But in 80% of the country, women are still little more than chattel. Even wealthy, Western-educated professional women have their marriages arranged by their parents.

So - in 20% of the world, women are entitled to equality of opportunity. In the rest, it's business as usual.

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Reply #29 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 11:14am
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:19am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:25am:
It has achieved what it set out to achieve. The vast majority, if not all, the reforms outlined by the 1st and 2nd wave have been accomplished. Can you show me one area where women aren't allowed equality of opportunity?


Sure. The vast majority of the world. India, Central Asia, the Middle East, Africa.

Less than 20% of the world's population live in developed countries. The rest live in rural villages or rapidly industrialising cities.

Equal wages, child care, shelter from domestic violence, etc, rates a mention in a few places, but not many.

Take India. The middle classes are well-educated and informed. Women's issues get a fair bit of airplay on TV, in parliament, and in general political debate.

But in 80% of the country, women are still little more than chattel. Even wealthy, Western-educated professional women have their marriages arranged by their parents.

So - in 20% of the world, women are entitled to equality of opportunity. In the rest, it's business as usual.

Feminism is still relevant.


ADDS:-  So - er - in that 20% - where you cite the absolute difference between the Indian middle classes and the poor - exactly how much better do men fare overall?

You cannot compare the middle classes with the rest and make that your blanket statement - and you provide support for the old contention that 'feminism' is a middle class movement designed to privilege that class.

REPEATS:- As for the rest of the world?  Feminism, with its rhetorical intrusions into other nations, is abrogating the rights of those nations to self-government, and is creating a situation in many where we of the West, because of the never-ending feminist virulent verbal attacks, are seen as 'crusaders' and 'cultural imperialists' - which, in turn, creates insecurity and potential terrorism for the West.

Now - you wanna be a crusader and go out and fix all those problems?  Go for it - but why do we of the West have to continue to be battered over all the silly issues that feminism keeps dredging up, and the lies it insists on telling about 'wage gaps' , political representation, the rape industry, the DV industry and so forth?

These are problems created by government on behalf if its delusions of women's rights and equalities, and they need fixing here and now!

How about starting at home first with all the very deep wrongs and divisions in Australia at the moment.

Whoever said that fathers who abuse etc are getting custody needs to stand back and look at the facts...I've never heard of a single instance of any such thing - and with the current climate of accepting anything a woman says as 'abuse' - there is no yardstick by which to judge at all anyway!

Fathers rarely get custody overall.

What I do recall clearly is the article about the magistrate who wrote an apology to the children concerned over his own doubts and indeed rejection of claims of abuse by the mother - after he awarded custody to her anyway and savaged the father's visiting rights anyway - on the basis that it was sufficient that she 'believed' the abuse to have been the case!

WTF sort of law is that?

Hey - I believe ea Grinch of you owes me $1m - fork over!


LATE ADDITION BEFORE I GO:-  (**coughs**) I have a 17 year old girl friend (not girlfriend) in Malaysia - she has health problems, wants to be an electronics engineer and would love to serve in their armed forces, and her parents do not expect that she marry on order, but choose her mate for herself.

I believe we can seriously over-generalise the situation in many of those countries, and thereby run the risk of shooting all the cats as grey ones... Cry
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