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Jun 17th, 2012 at 3:33pm
 
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In this June 11, 2012 photo, Andre Pshenichnikov, a 23-year-old immigrant from Tajikistan who was recently detained by Israeli police for residing illegally in the Dheishe Refugee Camp near Bethlehem, poses for a picture in Bat Yam near Tel Aviv, Israel. In what has to be considered one of the oddest twists to the never-ending Israeli-Palestinian saga, Pshenichnikov has embarked on a new fight: renouncing his Israeli citizenship and moving to a Palestinian refugee camp in the West Bank. It's incredibly rare for Israelis to seek living under Palestinian rule, only a few precedents of Israelis who have done so are known.



RAMALLAH, West Bank - (AP) -- In an odd twist to the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian saga, a former Israeli soldier has embarked on a new fight: He wants to renounce his Israeli citizenship and move to a Palestinian refugee camp in the West Bank.

Andre Pshenichnikov, a 23-year-old Jewish immigrant from Tajikistan, was recently detained by Israeli police for residing illegally in the Deheishe Refugee Camp near Bethlehem. There he told police that he wants to break all ties with Israel, give up his Israeli citizenship and obtain a Palestinian one instead.

Pshenichnikov is currently traveling in Europe for two months. When he returns, he hopes to move to the West Bank.

It's incredibly rare for Israelis to seek to live under Palestinian rule. There are only a few known cases of Jewish Israelis who have done so, mostly ones who have married Palestinians, as well as a journalist for the Israeli daily Haaretz who moved to Ramallah and reports from there. None are known to have renounced Israeli citizenship -- though some Israelis living abroad have. Nor are any known to have sought Palestinian residency instead. People are not allowed to be dual citizens.

Reached at his Israeli home, Pshenichnikov's mother Svetlana said she was troubled by her son's plans.

"I'm his mother and I am trying to support him like a mother should," she said. "But I don't support his war."

The family immigrated to Israel when Pshenichnikov was 13. Israel grants automatic citizenship to anyone who is Jewish. He later completed his three years of mandatory military service, enlisting as a computer programmer in the army's signals corps, and even served an additional year and a half as a career soldier.

But sometime during his military service, he began to question Israel's relationship with the Palestinians. Since then, he has completely rejected his adopted country. After his service ended, he moved to the refugee camp in April and worked as a waiter in a Bethlehem hotel and as a construction worker in Deheishe.

"I hate Zionism ... I want to be part of the Palestinian resistance," Pshenichnikov told The Associated Press. "I call for other Israelis who support the existence of a state of Palestine to do the same, to come live in the West Bank or Gaza as Palestinians."

The Palestinians want to make the West Bank part of an independent state. For the time being, in accordance with past agreements with Israel, they technically don't have a Palestinian citizenship but the self-rule authority issues I.D. residency cards and Palestinian passports.

Pshenichnikov said he chose to live near Bethlehem in hopes of taking advantage of his fluency in Russian to guide Russian tourists in Jesus' traditional hometown.

Residents say he was initially treated with suspicion. Many Palestinians suspected him of being an Israeli spy and Palestinian officials eventually handed him over to Israeli authorities. But Pshenichnikov remained undeterred, returning to Deheishe where was apprehended by Palestinian forces and handed over to Israel again.

Israeli police released him under restrictive conditions and banned him from entering the Palestinian-controlled areas pending the end of legal proceedings against him.

Tareq Abu Sheikha, who rented Pshenichnikov a room for a month, said he was "suspicious and not honest."

Abu Sheikha said Pshenichnikov presented himself as a Russian foreign activist and was even seen throwing stones at Israeli soldiers during demonstrations. But he was also heard speaking in Hebrew on his phone and carried his old military I.D. card with him.

"We don't have a problem with any Israeli coming to be one of us. We'll be honored and give them an I.D. card, but this young man was suspicious and he lied and that's why we handed him to the Israelis," he said.

Officially renouncing Israeli citizenship is a lengthy, complicated process. Interior Ministry spokeswoman Sabine Hadad said that one has to file a request at an Israeli representative office overseas, prove that one has another citizenship and then await a ruling, which is not always granted. She said she wasn't familiar with Pshenichnikov's case, but that only few hundred people have their citizenship revoked each year.

The Israeli military declined to comment on Pshenichnikov.

Abdel-Fatah Hamayel, the governor of Bethlehem, said that in principle there should be no problem granting Pshenichnikov Palestinian citizenship, but that it would have to go through the proper legal channels.

"He wasn't supposed to come illegally. If people knew his true identity, there's no guarantee for his safety. He should have informed the Palestinian side with an official request and his request would be considered," he said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/ex-israeli-soldier-seeks-palestinian-citizenship-1.3781461
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm
 
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.
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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:42pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm:
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.


Anti semitism is hatred of Jews.

Some thing which you have showed and been banned two times already.
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:43pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm:
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.


Anti semitism is hatred of Jews.

Some thing which you have showed and been banned two times already.

Uh ok then? What has that got to do with it?
I have stated that I am anti terrorist and human rights offenders, not anti jewish
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:45pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm:
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.


Anti semitism is hatred of Jews.

Some thing which you have showed and been banned two times already.

Uh ok then? What has that got to do with it?
I have stated that I am anti terrorist and human rights offenders, not anti jewish


And post jokes making fun of holocaust deaths.
You are a hatefully person who also say Jews should be gassed.

You would never dare say these things to our face in Israel
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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 6:11pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm:
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.


Anti semitism is hatred of Jews.

Some thing which you have showed and been banned two times already.

Uh ok then? What has that got to do with it?
I have stated that I am anti terrorist and human rights offenders, not anti jewish


And post jokes making fun of holocaust deaths.
You are a hatefully person who also say Jews should be gassed.

You would never dare say these things to our face in Israel

Only to highlight the depravity of other members making jokes about just as horrible things.
I have said that terrorists should be gassed yes.
You wouldn't dare be a terrorist in Australia.
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Reply #6 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 6:12pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:43pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:36pm:
Well semite does include Palestinians as well.


Anti semitism is hatred of Jews.

Some thing which you have showed and been banned two times already.

Uh ok then? What has that got to do with it?
I have stated that I am anti terrorist and human rights offenders, not anti jewish


And post jokes making fun of holocaust deaths.
You are a hatefully person who also say Jews should be gassed.

You would never dare say these things to our face in Israel


No. those jews would kill him for talking.

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Reply #7 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 7:08pm
 
Refusenik sentenced to 20 days in prison on his birthday


Yaniv Mazor was sentenced this morning by his commander to twenty days in prison for refusing to fulfill his reserve service duties. “This is an army whose main purpose is the maintenance of the occupation regime imposed on millions of people on the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip – and I cannot serve in it,” said Mazor, hoping that others would join him.


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"I hope my actions will inspire others". Yaniv Mazor


Yaniv Mazor – a resident of Jerusalem, chief sergeant (res.) in the armed corps, and a tour guide in profession – is celebrating his 31st birthday today. Speaking to +972 on his way to jail, Mazor said the decision to refuse has been building up inside him for the past seven years, growing stronger the more he learnt of Israel’s policies in the occupied territories. “I regret not having been aware of what the army does when I was enlisted, because the more I know the clearer the understanding that I cannot serve becomes,” he said.

“I served in an armored unit from 1999 to 2002, spending most of my service in the Jordan Valley, but also deeper in the West Bank during the Second Intifada, inside and outside of a tank, and since then returned for 6-7 rounds of reserve service. The decision to refuse is a sort of climax of a personal process I’ve been going through in the past seven-eight years. When you go to school in Israel they don’t really tell you what it is the army does in the occupied territories, and so I entered the army as a typical product of the education system: a good boy, obedient, serving in the occupied territories, and not thinking about it at all. Especially not thinking. Over the past few years I’ve been using my head, asking myself what the things we do over there mean. This led me at first to just avoid service, but after getting some perspective in a year long trip abroad I decided it was time to stop faking it.”

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Grafiti on a wall in Hebron with the prayer of rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem (Yaniv Mazor)


After being summoned to a training session with his unit, Mazor informed his commanding officer that he could not serve any more. The commander was sympathetic, he says, but said the decision to exempt him from service was not his to make, and transferred the request upward in the chain of command. On Wednesday, Mazor received a suspended sentence of 15 days in prison, and sent back home. “The battalion commander thought of it as an opportunity for me to take the weekend and think it over. It was actually quite nice because it gave me a chance to go with Breaking the Silence on a tour of Hebron on Friday, and to South Mount Hebron with Ta’ayush on Saturday, and that only strengthened my decision.

“Today I refused again, and the commander said he would like to find me non-combatant tasks. I told him that for me a soldier-teacher, a driver or an elite unit fighter – they’re all the same, and all represent the army. He then passed me on to the brigade commander, who sentenced me to 20 days inside. I told him that I was being locked up for my beliefs and that I hope we don’t meet again in similar circumstances, but he said he’ll keep on summoning me for service.

“Although this is my first time in prison I feel totally fine with it. I feel at peace with myself. My decision stems from what I saw in the occupied territories, things that made me realize I can no longer be part of the army. I can only hope that my action will inspire others who are now facing the draft or a reserve service and are still unsure what to do.”

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Soldiers watching Palestinian farmers during an action in South Mount Hebron (Yaniv Mazor)


In recent months several young Israelis refused to enlist in a joint action against the occupation. One of them, Noam Gur, was jailed for about a month, and then released on a mental clause. Mazor will be out of prison at the end of the month, and it is yet unknown whether he will be summoned to return to his unit immediately – and then imprisoned again – or not.

http://972mag.com/refusenik-sentenced-to-20-days-in-prison-on-his-birthday/48050...

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Reply #8 - Jun 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
And post jokes making fun of holocaust deaths.
You are a hatefully person who also say Jews should be gassed.

You would never dare say these things to our face in Israel


Best holocaust joke I ever heard was told to me by an IDF guy who was over here training. It went like this...

Q. Why did Hitler commit suicide?

A.  Someone showed him the gas bill.

If more Israelis had a sense of humor like that then you guys probably wouldn't be perceived as being nearly as big a pack of assholes as your are currently viewed as.  Just sayin'...
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Reply #9 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 7:36am
 
Chard wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
And post jokes making fun of holocaust deaths.
You are a hatefully person who also say Jews should be gassed.

You would never dare say these things to our face in Israel


Best holocaust joke I ever heard was told to me by an IDF guy who was over here training. It went like this...

Q. Why did Hitler commit suicide?

A.  Someone showed him the gas bill.

If more Israelis had a sense of humor like that then you guys probably wouldn't be perceived as being nearly as big a pack of assholes as your are currently viewed as.  Just sayin'...


lol

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