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Reply #105 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 8:27am
 
TheGreenLight wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 2:18pm:
I am starting to think that Ashby may be a scorned lover. He probably found out that Slpper was having it off with other men as well, so has one this to get back at him.

Yea, I've thought that all along.
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Reply #106 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 8:29am
 
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:54pm:
[quote author=5C50454548310 link=1339732193/91#91 date=1339911108]I agree with Maqqa and John, and I am STILL awaiting the evidence and/or proof that Mr Brough conspired with Mr Ashby to concoct such a a story. I watched the Bolt Report this morning, and he was on there. As he said, it's outrageous, and it shows a clear desperation all too akin to this divided and directionless government.


Well before the complaints he was undermining Slipper and leaking information, His relationship with Pyne is I would think more relivant than Brough.

Neither would be amoung the first few hundred million choices to turn to for advice of this nature.

And then coincidentally he has the same Legal team as Cathy Jackson also free of charge the same guys who specialise in working for the Liberals and HR Nichols society.

There is a point where claiming coincidence becomes rediculous.


Who knows how many other staffers to whom Slipper has done this. There was a case of him having sex with a young male staffer in 2003, and pushing another male staffer against a wall at a later time, for rejecting his flirtations. Mal Brough is a local, and Mr Ashby probably thought to ask him what to do, as he was intimidated. Maqqa's post more than covers this. Mr Ashby is being represented by the lawyer who successfully represented the employee who accused the DJ boss (whose name currently evades me) a few years ago. I see nothing fantastical about this at all.

Then we come to the texts - how can you tell me with a straight face, dna, that these do not imply sexual interest and intent on the part of Slipper?

I know sexual harassment, from first-hand experience.[/quote]
I hope the poor fella you harassed went to the police,soxy.
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Reply #107 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 9:18am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 2:05am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:54pm:
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 3:31pm:
I agree with Maqqa and John, and I am STILL awaiting the evidence and/or proof that Mr Brough conspired with Mr Ashby to concoct such a a story. I watched the Bolt Report this morning, and he was on there. As he said, it's outrageous, and it shows a clear desperation all too akin to this divided and directionless government.


Well before the complaints he was undermining Slipper and leaking information, His relationship with Pyne is I would think more relivant than Brough.
As Pyne have always said - as the Manager of Opposition Business in the House he has contact with the Speaker's office all the time. That fact seems to be conveniently left out by the left


Neither would be amoung the first few hundred million choices to turn to for advice of this nature.
That's you and you don't know him. But to Ashby it might be different so who are you to tell him what he should or shouldn't do?


And then coincidentally he has the same Legal team as Cathy Jackson also free of charge the same guys who specialise in working for the Liberals and HR Nichols society.
Therefore the allegations of Ashby is not credible

There is a point where claiming coincidence becomes rediculous.
Tell that to the 1,100 pages the FWA came out with then match it up with what Thommo said




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as the Manager of Opposition Business in the House he has contact with the Speaker's office all the time


Having drinks in the speakers office with no speaker present and asking for his personal contact information _ Pyne typically likes to have a more intimate relationship with the employees of the speaker as part of his job?

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And then coincidentally he has the same Legal team as Cathy Jackson also free of charge the same guys who specialise in working for the Liberals and HR Nichols society.
[b]Therefore the allegations of Ashby is not credible


It is difficult to establish credability and there is a judge being paid to do that but it does look a lot like the Liberals have been involved in these matters from very early in the process to the extent of assisting with legal representation as a minimum.

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[b]Therefore the allegations of Ashby is not credible


He seems to have taken all the necessary steps to infer that his claims credability is in doubt.

His interation with senior Liberals with a clear political gain in the matter, The free use of the Liberals / HR puff n stuff legal team with his undermining of his employer while in the job. Leaks to the media, Known to have been working against Slipper in his electorate etc.

Was he harrassed, is he another Gordon Gretch or was the whole thing a set up from the start given that he was having meetings with senior Liberals possibly all along the way did he join the speakers office with a very different agenda.

While it is obvious that the Liberals have been involved up to their necks is the organisation of this I have no idea if it is based on genuine harrasment or any of the other possibilities.

You have to admit had he gone to talk to his Aunt Mary or a psycologist and was paying for his legal support  from some randon legal group his claims would look to be a lot better founded instead of talking to the Liberals and the media with the free supplied legal support.

Nobody is going to talk to any senior Liberal you do not know about sexual harrasment unless the interest is in getting away with it or there is something in it for them.
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Reply #108 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 9:22am
 
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:54pm:
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 3:31pm:
I agree with Maqqa and John, and I am STILL awaiting the evidence and/or proof that Mr Brough conspired with Mr Ashby to concoct such a a story. I watched the Bolt Report this morning, and he was on there. As he said, it's outrageous, and it shows a clear desperation all too akin to this divided and directionless government.


Well before the complaints he was undermining Slipper and leaking information, His relationship with Pyne is I would think more relivant than Brough.

Neither would be amoung the first few hundred million choices to turn to for advice of this nature.

And then coincidentally he has the same Legal team as Cathy Jackson also free of charge the same guys who specialise in working for the Liberals and HR Nichols society.

There is a point where claiming coincidence becomes rediculous.


Who knows how many other staffers to whom Slipper has done this. There was a case of him having sex with a young male staffer in 2003, and pushing another male staffer against a wall at a later time, for rejecting his flirtations. Mal Brough is a local, and Mr Ashby probably thought to ask him what to do, as he was intimidated. Maqqa's post more than covers this. Mr Ashby is being represented by the lawyer who successfully represented the employee who accused the DJ boss (whose name currently evades me) a few years ago. I see nothing fantastical about this at all.

Then we come to the texts - how can you tell me with a straight face, dna, that these do not imply sexual interest and intent on the part of Slipper?

I know sexual harassment, from first-hand experience.


Yes, Matty, but that doesn't count. We were only having a wank.
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Reply #109 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 9:33am
 
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
1. Slipper having (consensual) sex with a staffer is not an illegal activity.
Its consensual whey you are a Liberal


2. It wasn't up to John Howard or Tony Abbott. It's the decision of the local branch, and the local branch alone. Look at the case with Patrick Secker.
You know where the buck stops?


3. If the LNP branch knew full well of the case/s, then yes, they should not have endorsed him. I am not going to defend that whatsoever.

4. Could you please answer my original question? What do you make of the proven texts?


I have never seen them and am not aware of the context in which they were sent.

Was Slipper being led to believe that it was consensual?

Was there any harrasment or is it all just a political strategy is he another Gordon Gretch or just a victum who has taken the worst possible actions to undermine his own credability.
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Reply #110 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:08am
 
The proven texts show that Mr Slipper was clearly in love with James Ashby.

Is anyone suggesting that the relationship went only one way?

No. It takes two to tango. James Ashby had participated in a number of massage/fondling sessions with Mr Slipper prior to Mr Slipper falling in love with him. Mr Slipper was clearly besotted, and by all accounts, found James Ashby to be a cutie-pie.

There's the proof right there.
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Reply #111 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:11am
 
Ashby is as guilty as sin. He colluded with his new best friends Pyne and Brough against Slipper.

I think its time Pyne stepped down from his position until this matter is resolved.
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Reply #112 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:14am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 9:33am:
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
1. Slipper having (consensual) sex with a staffer is not an illegal activity.
Its consensual whey you are a Liberal


2. It wasn't up to John Howard or Tony Abbott. It's the decision of the local branch, and the local branch alone. Look at the case with Patrick Secker.
You know where the buck stops?


3. If the LNP branch knew full well of the case/s, then yes, they should not have endorsed him. I am not going to defend that whatsoever.

4. Could you please answer my original question? What do you make of the proven texts?


I have never seen them and am not aware of the context in which they were sent.

Was Slipper being led to believe that it was consensual?

Was there any harrasment or is it all just a political strategy is he another Gordon Gretch or just a victum who has taken the worst possible actions to undermine his own credability.


It was consensual, according to reports, and as I said, blame the local branch, not Mr Howard and/or Mr Abbott.

These are (just some of the ) proen texts:

"Would be good if you here but perhaps we are not close enough?".

"U getting roks off. Pity".

"U want something more? U brillianmt (sic) at massages".

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Reply #113 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:15am
 
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Ashby is as guilty as sin. He colluded with his new best friends Pyne and Brough against Slipper.

I think its time Pyne stepped down from his position until this matter is resolved.


I'll ask, yet again, for proof and/or evidence.
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Reply #114 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:15am
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 2:06am:
matty wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:06pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:44pm:
Gist wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:42pm:
I don't understand matty. I gave you the proof. Didn't you read it?


He only reads what he wants to read, usually the Bible and Andrew Bolts column.


Was that supposed to be an insult?


Not supposed to be, was. Anyone who reads those two things is definitely swimming at the lower end of the gene pool.


Well, I didn't take it as such. I do read those things, and for good reason, too.
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Reply #115 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:19am
 
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:15am:
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Ashby is as guilty as sin. He colluded with his new best friends Pyne and Brough against Slipper.

I think its time Pyne stepped down from his position until this matter is resolved.


I'll ask, yet again, for proof and/or evidence.


Geezus, matty, how many times do I have to show you the proof before you understand it? Here it is again:

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Reply #116 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:23am
 
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:19am:
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:15am:
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:11am:
Ashby is as guilty as sin. He colluded with his new best friends Pyne and Brough against Slipper.

I think its time Pyne stepped down from his position until this matter is resolved.


I'll ask, yet again, for proof and/or evidence.


Geezus, matty, how many times do I have to show you the proof before you understand it? Here it is again:

http://dorrys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/flip-the-bird1.jpg


Thank you very much for yet again proving my point.
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Reply #117 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:41am
 
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Thank you very much for yet again proving my point.


You still don't understand it do you?
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Reply #118 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:51am
 
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:41am:
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Thank you very much for yet again proving my point.


You still don't understand it do you?


Yes, I do. You have no evidence for your claims of a conspiracy between Mr Ashby and LNP members.
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Reply #119 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:54am
 
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:51am:
Gist wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:41am:
matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Thank you very much for yet again proving my point.


You still don't understand it do you?


Yes, I do. You have no evidence for your claims of a conspiracy between Mr Ashby and LNP members.



As I've said previously matty. The ALP are really desperate now so they will base their argument on:

(1) Facts they made up eg they said Abbott made a comment about Whyalla being wiped off the map when that comment came from a senior Union official

(2) Ignoring facts eg saying Abbott is gone even though the polls sits at 57/43

(3) Based on assumed facts - they just assume it will be bad
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