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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #60 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 6:41pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 21st, 2012 at 5:45pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 21st, 2012 at 8:23am:
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 11:13pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:15pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 12:21am:
2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.


but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.


Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.


There have already been large Energy related cost increases over recent years of 20-80%, depending on where you are in Australia. The current round of Carbon Tax increases, for most of the general public, are actually relatively small on a net basis, after government rebates.

However, general Energy cost increases are set to continue, with or without the Carbon Tax, as the increases are being driven by Energy Supply shortages.

That said, there may be a short respite, in Crude Oil related costs, for a short period, as the GFC Mark2 bites deeper, until Oil Production shortages outweighs the GFC2 slowdown.

No matter what either major party may say, the Carbon Tax IS a tax, first & foremost.

The Tax is there to redress government deficits and whether it's called a Carbon Tax or something else by the Liberals, Taxes & government benefits will need to be addressed, as the local & Global Economy continues to spiral downward in coming years, as it has done over the last 5 years.

Above all else, the equity of these future arrangements, between the different parts of our society will need to be closely watched, to prevent unintended consequences! 


the carbon tax hands it all back in either compensation or as grants for R/E. how is a tax that makes NOTHING going to affect budgets?


The Carbon Tax won't hand back everything! It will hand back a reasonable amount to most of the general Public, NOT ALL & it will retain quite a bit raised via the business section. In all, it will be & is intended to, RAISE TAXES & therefore offset government Deficits!

This WILL have to happen & government benefits, in many forms, to all sectors of the community will also have to be addressed, as the Global Economic Downward spiral continues, in future years.

It should be noted that whatever party is in power in Australia, in the foreseeable future, they WILL face a slowing Global Economy and IT WILL start to affect our saving grace, THE MINING SECTOR shortly, most likely starting next year!
 




Complete drivel - as always. the Carbon Tax money is all going in compensation or on other R/E projects. none of it will be going to general revenue.
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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #61 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 6:57pm
 
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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #62 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 8:03pm
 
happen to catch that interview with Shell  Ceo ..... ??? 
he had no qualms whatsoever, and said that Shell had already factored in a carbon price of $40 a tonne, which you'd have to agree is much more than the $23 of 'our' carbon tax.

It was a very interesting interview, and I 'd suggest you' all try to see it. !!!!

Might make you see beyond you own myopic view.!! Smiley
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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #63 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 6:41pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 21st, 2012 at 5:45pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 21st, 2012 at 8:23am:
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 11:13pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 8:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 6:15pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 12:21am:
2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.


but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.


Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.


There have already been large Energy related cost increases over recent years of 20-80%, depending on where you are in Australia. The current round of Carbon Tax increases, for most of the general public, are actually relatively small on a net basis, after government rebates.

However, general Energy cost increases are set to continue, with or without the Carbon Tax, as the increases are being driven by Energy Supply shortages.

That said, there may be a short respite, in Crude Oil related costs, for a short period, as the GFC Mark2 bites deeper, until Oil Production shortages outweighs the GFC2 slowdown.

No matter what either major party may say, the Carbon Tax IS a tax, first & foremost.

The Tax is there to redress government deficits and whether it's called a Carbon Tax or something else by the Liberals, Taxes & government benefits will need to be addressed, as the local & Global Economy continues to spiral downward in coming years, as it has done over the last 5 years.

Above all else, the equity of these future arrangements, between the different parts of our society will need to be closely watched, to prevent unintended consequences! 


the carbon tax hands it all back in either compensation or as grants for R/E. how is a tax that makes NOTHING going to affect budgets?


The Carbon Tax won't hand back everything! It will hand back a reasonable amount to most of the general Public, NOT ALL & it will retain quite a bit raised via the business section. In all, it will be & is intended to, RAISE TAXES & therefore offset government Deficits!

This WILL have to happen & government benefits, in many forms, to all sectors of the community will also have to be addressed, as the Global Economic Downward spiral continues, in future years.

It should be noted that whatever party is in power in Australia, in the foreseeable future, they WILL face a slowing Global Economy and IT WILL start to affect our saving grace, THE MINING SECTOR shortly, most likely starting next year!
 




Complete drivel - as always. the Carbon Tax money is all going in compensation or on other R/E projects. none of it will be going to general revenue.


It is indeed a waste, to use so many words, but to understand & actually say so little, of any real value!

Perhaps, you should try posting less & trying to make more sense?
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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #64 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 12:14am
 
well said Perceptions Now.

lots to say about nothing really, isn't it?? Smiley
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