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Reply #45 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:10am

Gist wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

I had someone come and quote to install some new air conditioning today .. he told me the price was only valid until the carbon tax came into affect.. I asked him why and by how much will it change .. his reply was that refrigerator coolant alone would rise from $80 kg to $280 kg ..... and he was adamant it was all down to the carbon tax ... now I tell you, how stupid can some people be to believe that? He expects me to believe that the price will rise by over 300% because of the carbon tax? hahaha you righties are so stupid it defies logic

This happened when the GST was brought in too but because they had to account for it on the docket somewhat it was under control a lil more. This time its totally uncontrolled and not only greedy bastards will take advantage to put prices up phenomenally but greedy "lib supporters" will also do it just to make it look worse.

SOB

The carbon tax is no different from any other tax increase.

Don't you understand Gist?
Taxes are supposed to go down NOT up
These are the same gooses that expect the government to do everything including wiping their arse
Yet don't want to pay for it,

GIVE ME MY 30% REBATE UNMEANS TESTED,
EDUCATE MY KIDS FOR A PENNY,
SUBSIDISE MY CHILDCARE,
KEEP INTEREST RATES LOW,
MAKE MY HOUSE DOUBLE IN VALUE EVERY 3 YEARS,
GIVE ME DUAL CARRIAGE WAY SEALED ROADS,
DON'T MAKE ME WAIT LONGER 5 MINUTES TO BE SEEN IN A&E,
I WANT MY ELECTIVE SURGURY TOMORROW
SUBSIDISE MY JOB
I WANT A 5 STAR RESORT FOR A NURSING HOME
SUBSIDISE MY PERSCRIPTIONS
STOP THE BOATS

YOU WANT ME TO CONTRIBUTE FOR ALL OF THIS???????????????
bugger off you socialist, it's my money.

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #46 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #47 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:26am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

Don't try and introduce rational arguments/thoughts into it Perc.
Its a rant by the bloated middles class who see themselves as entitled.

"MY COST OF LIVING KEEPS GOING UP,OH LOOK A NEW IPHONE'S OUT GOTTA GET THAT NEXT WEEK"
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Reply #48 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 1:40am

aye smitty ...the entitled mindlessly taking for granted their on-going ease certainly know how to whine.
I look forward to the time when they really understand.

The carbon tax should have minimal impact , but leave it to the greedy rich, the entrepreneurs, the rip-off artists, the real liars, and the poorest will pay the most, relatively, ...just like the GST.
THIS is NOT the govt intent, and I accept that, the intent is just. Its the greedy a/holes who think they can do what they will that will victimise the weak and uninformed.

As it has ALWAYS BEEN.

The rip-offs just see an excellent opportunity.... and everyone who states that costs will increase, out of sight, are those who hope to profit.!!!

Lets wait and see.... the spin-drs have had a more than fair go, predicting the end of the 'world'.

I look forward to a quiet chuckle as the doom-sayer righties turn pink, then crimson, from embarrassment. Wink

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax Reply #49 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 3:20am If the carbon tax collects more revenue than expected, the government wil need to lift its compensation packages accordingly. It is very easy for the government to remove the income effect and keep the price signal.
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Reply #50 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax Reply #51 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:33pm Voted for the Australian Greens, and do want it.
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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #52 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

That's right. And then impose the 18% carbon tax that Tony wants to legislate for because we will have asked for that one, will have voted for it and we will have shown we want it.

Of course, we'll also have to pay the additional costs of removing the tax on top of that. The costs that the energy suppliers were talking about. But that's only fair.

Oh... and don't forget the tax increases for maternity leave. I don't mind paying extra tax so that rich executive women types can stay home looking after their kids on full pay. No that's eminently reasonable.

Oh... and don't forget the extra extra taxes that Tony will want us to pay to compensate the commercial fishers. I don't think he's mentioned that one yet so I'm probably ahead of the game on it. But you heard it here first!

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #54 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #55 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.

There have already been large Energy related cost increases over recent years of 20-80%, depending on where you are in Australia. The current round of Carbon Tax increases, for most of the general public, are actually relatively small on a net basis, after government rebates.

However, general Energy cost increases are set to continue, with or without the Carbon Tax, as the increases are being driven by Energy Supply shortages.

That said, there may be a short respite, in Crude Oil related costs, for a short period, as the GFC Mark2 bites deeper, until Oil Production shortages outweighs the GFC2 slowdown.

No matter what either major party may say, the Carbon Tax IS a tax, first & foremost.

The Tax is there to redress government deficits and whether it's called a Carbon Tax or something else by the Liberals, Taxes & government benefits will need to be addressed, as the local & Global Economy continues to spiral downward in coming years, as it has done over the last 5 years.

Above all else, the equity of these future arrangements, between the different parts of our society will need to be closely watched, to prevent unintended consequences!

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Reply #56 - Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:47pm

hmm you got me thinking Perceptnow.

and your comment re equity... needs consideration.

From my own dredging of the media scum, et al, I tend to believe that this 'tax' is more than fair, as it only targets major emitters..
Whether these major 'power players' are allowed to benefit from this new policy is really down to the people, ...and the govt adequately funding the ACCC.

Oz is a land of crooks... and lots of good folk too

.... the public need to be much better informed. But its left to the free-market. Huh

Too much trash talk, encouraged by the fed opp.

I see in my local (free) paper today adverts warning of massive increases in elect. costs because of the carbon tax ... and touting solar power ...thats their line.!. No surprise really is it.? Given all the garbage that has flooded all media channels against the 'tax'.

All these prescient folks...... why didn't they warn us about.............??? Roll Eyes

IF YOU WANT TO BE HONEST?!

the effects of human fecundity on the earth, and the bad decisions we've made as a species.
YEP.??
Our insatiable desire for more, and worse, our ability to wrench this more out of the very earth we live on. Worst of all, our general lack of care or concern for the earth.

CLIMATE CHANGE. !!!!

GET USED TO IT. OUR IDYLL LOOKS TO BE COMING TO A SAD END.
Thanks only to ourselves.!!

What do I mean ?? This is just the beginning.
Think about what your children ... or grandchildren will be facing.
Don't care?
That's their prob?
Sad

Pretty poor IMO.

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #57 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 8:23am

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.

There have already been large Energy related cost increases over recent years of 20-80%, depending on where you are in Australia. The current round of Carbon Tax increases, for most of the general public, are actually relatively small on a net basis, after government rebates.

However, general Energy cost increases are set to continue, with or without the Carbon Tax, as the increases are being driven by Energy Supply shortages.

That said, there may be a short respite, in Crude Oil related costs, for a short period, as the GFC Mark2 bites deeper, until Oil Production shortages outweighs the GFC2 slowdown.

No matter what either major party may say, the Carbon Tax IS a tax, first & foremost.

The Tax is there to redress government deficits and whether it's called a Carbon Tax or something else by the Liberals, Taxes & government benefits will need to be addressed, as the local & Global Economy continues to spiral downward in coming years, as it has done over the last 5 years.

Above all else, the equity of these future arrangements, between the different parts of our society will need to be closely watched, to prevent unintended consequences!

the carbon tax hands it all back in either compensation or as grants for R/E. how is a tax that makes NOTHING going to affect budgets?

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #58 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 2:32pm

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Well well well. It wouldn't have anything to do with the infrastructure upgrade, would it? The reason electricity prices have risen by about 60% in the last year alone?

Australian Energy Market Commission last year estimated nationally there would be a 37 per cent increase in household electricity prices over three years to 2013-14. It found
more than a third of the rise
would be due to network costs - upgrading poles and wires.

A fifth would be due to the carbon price

, and a tenth to other green schemes including solar.

But Mr Brazzale said green energy schemes would also help lower the wholesale price of electricity
from generators by reducing the demand for power from the grid. ''In the next few years the savings on wholesale prices are expected to be greater than the cost of the small-scale green schemes,'' he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/solar-panels-linked-to-lower-pow...

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Re: Electricity price rise due to carbon tax
Reply #59 - Jun 21^st, 2012 at 5:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 8:23am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 8:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

2 things -
1) The major portion of all power cost increases, in recent years, has little to do with the Carbon Tax.
2) Taxes will increase, whatever name/s you give it, taxes are set to increase. But care will be needed, to ensure that those increased taxes are spread FAIRLY across all sections of the community, including the top 10% or the outcomes will not be as anticipated.

but the carbon tax is something that can be removed. We cant do much about a lot of the price increases but we CAN remove the carbon tax - and should. even if it is only 9% - it is still 9% we didnt ask for, voted against and dont want.

Don't forget that while only 9% of the 18% is due to the carbon tax - that means HALF of the increase is due to the carbon tax. The other half is due to numerous other factors, such as maintenance, inflation, etc, etc. The carbon tax is a huge chunk of the increase and we should not be minimising its impact on us all.

There have already been large Energy related cost increases over recent years of 20-80%, depending on where you are in Australia. The current round of Carbon Tax increases, for most of the general public, are actually relatively small on a net basis, after government rebates.

However, general Energy cost increases are set to continue, with or without the Carbon Tax, as the increases are being driven by Energy Supply shortages.

That said, there may be a short respite, in Crude Oil related costs, for a short period, as the GFC Mark2 bites deeper, until Oil Production shortages outweighs the GFC2 slowdown.

No matter what either major party may say, the Carbon Tax IS a tax, first & foremost.

The Tax is there to redress government deficits and whether it's called a Carbon Tax or something else by the Liberals, Taxes & government benefits will need to be addressed, as the local & Global Economy continues to spiral downward in coming years, as it has done over the last 5 years.

Above all else, the equity of these future arrangements, between the different parts of our society will need to be closely watched, to prevent unintended consequences!

the carbon tax hands it all back in either compensation or as grants for R/E. how is a tax that makes NOTHING going to affect budgets?

The Carbon Tax won't hand back everything! It will hand back a reasonable amount to most of the general Public, NOT ALL & it will retain quite a bit raised via the business section. In all, it will be & is intended to, RAISE TAXES & therefore offset government Deficits!

This WILL have to happen & government benefits, in many forms, to all sectors of the community will also have to be addressed, as the Global Economic Downward spiral continues, in future years.

It should be noted that whatever party is in power in Australia, in the foreseeable future, they WILL face a slowing Global Economy and IT WILL start to affect our saving grace, THE MINING SECTOR shortly, most likely starting next year!

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