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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #90 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:25pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

What about when Muslims demand exceptions so as drivibng in burqa and not show faces in secure zones like bank tellers?
Do you support they being above the Law?

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #91 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm It is sad to see but criticism is silenced by people who say racism or homophobia to stop the answer of difficult questions.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #92 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm ... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm: So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me? Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #93 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:29pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm: It is sad to see but criticism is silenced by people who say racism or homophobia to stop the answer of difficult questions. What, like accusing people questioning the actions of the Israeli government, anti-Semite.
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #94 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #95 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

What about when Muslims demand exceptions so as drivibng in burqa and not show faces in secure zones like bank tellers?
Do you support they being above the Law?

There are ways around most things. I didn't know it was illegal to drive in a burqa.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #96 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

The concept of marriage does not solely belong to the church.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #97 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:36pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

What about when Muslims demand exceptions so as drivibng in burqa and not show faces in secure zones like bank tellers?
Do you support they being above the Law?

There are ways around most things. I didn't know it was illegal to drive in a burqa.

It affect vision to drive. We demand they remove it immediate or they are not allow to continue.

Be care of making allowances for everyone.

I do not like gay people to marry.
It is personal for me, it offends me.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #98 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

The concept of marriage does not solely belong to the church.

Correct.

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman. That is it's fundamental purpose, which would be undermined by admitting those who don't meet the membership criteria.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #99 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm Your prejudices are your own personal problem.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #100 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:41pm MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm: Your prejudices are your own personal problem. Now now, this isnot about me. Lets get back to how you draw the distinction between which instutions have the right to discriminate, and which don't.
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #101 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:44pm

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

The concept of marriage does not solely belong to the church.

Correct.

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman. That is it's fundamental purpose, which would be undermined by admitting those who don't meet the membership criteria.

That is up to the individual church. If a church does not want to recognise a particular marriage, that is up to them. We live in a secular state, we make the rules. In our secular state SSA people should not be discriminated against.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #102 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:47pm

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

Your prejudices are your own personal problem.

Now now, this isnot about me.

Lets get back to how you draw the distinction between which instutions have the right to discriminate, and which don't.

That was directed at Avram who is personally offended by gay marriages.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #103 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:48pm

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

The concept of marriage does not solely belong to the church.

Correct.

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman. That is it's fundamental purpose, which would be undermined by admitting those who don't meet the membership criteria.

That is up to the individual church. If a church does not want to recognise a particular marriage, that is up to them. We live in a secular state, we make the rules. In our secular state SSA people should not be discriminated against.

Then the only fair way to decide would be to poll the existing members of the insitution. ie married people.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #104 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:52pm There is a very good chance they would vote to allow same sex marriages. Would that make it O.K.
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