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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #240 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:07pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

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Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

you are just being a dickhead. Gays are a normal part of society.

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so the argument went over your head?

who exactly is surprised?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #241 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

too easy....

paedophiles are as commone (if not more so) than gays. is that enough reason to legalise it?

Do you have any concept of the term "consenting adult"?

Seriously?

You latched onto "common" and conveniently disregarded the fact that he's talking about "consenting adults".

Why are you guys so insistent on bringing children and paedophiles into the argument? I'm starting to worry about some of you.

Too easy, indeed. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #243 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

A legal kinship already exists between a father and son.

Thus, no marriage is required.

same as a kinship exists betwen gay couples therefor no marriage is required?

Its wonderful watching you give reason after reason that has EPIC fail associated with it.

Read it again Bozo: I said "legal" kinship.

"A legal kinship already exists between a father and son."

"Thus, no marriage is required."

A legal kinship does not exist between gay couples (who are not married).

Now, are you pretending to be this stupid or do you actually have some sort of mental retardation? Seriously. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #244 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

you are just being a dickhead. Gays are a normal part of society.

SOB

No, you just refuse to give any form of logical framework for your views.

You want to argue that homosexuality is normal and that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone else, therefore it is of no one else's concern and should be permitted. You are free to argue that. But as soon as the same argument is used for other sexual preferences you avoid the question.

Calling people a dickhead does not avoide the fact that you refuse to use the very arguments in defense for gay marriage in any other scenario.

You are just putting up silly scenarios that have nothing to do with gay marriage. And trying to insult while you are @ it but thats par for the course in this forum it seems.

SOB

Actually you are the one that has been insulting. I haven't called you a dickhead or anything like that.

The scenarios are not silly and have everything to do with any future redefinition of marriage. You want people to accept gays as normal, and if two men who love each other want to get married we should let them. But, you refuse to give an answer as to what would happen if two brothers want to marry in the future.

*Two brothers are both men, and if gay marriage is permitted then their gender is irrelevant.
*Two brothers can not reproduce, therefore no chance of deformed children.
*Their love for each other is none of anyone's business.
*It is discrimination not to allow two consenting adults to get married.
*it does not hurt anyone else.
*Incest has been around for as long as homosexuality, and is also wide spread around the world.

If you don't have a problem with two brother marrying eachother then admit that your fine with it.

If you do have a problem, then give a logical reason as to why it is wrong, and also give a reason as to why your allowed to take issue with two brothers getting married (and therefore interfering with their personal lives), but those who are against gay marriage should not interfere with redefining marriage.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #245 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:05am:

The thing that gets me with the pro gay marriage lobby is that anyone who objects to gay marriage must, by definition, be homophobic. I have gay relatives and gay friends who I love dearly - but personally I do not believe that marriage laws should be changed to allow gay marriages.

you make a good point. Not agreeing with gay marriage is hardly definitionally homophobic. After all, a gay former Chief CJustice of the High Court also opposes gay marriage. is he therefore homophobic?

Name him or its just another one of your lies.

BUMP before longlyingfraud goes and hides under his rock ,again.

so says the person who thinks labor losing 31 seats will give abbot a 31 seat majority.

62, moron.

NO, so says the person that knows you are a compulsive liar and I will keep bumping this post until you post up who it is you keep avoiding to answer.LIAR.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #247 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

very well said. Since when does Gay Rights include the right to everything? 'Rights' as such are very different from priviledges and always has been. the term 'right' is overused. Any very small minority (such as gays) do not intrinsically ahve the right to overturn a majority position or usurp a majority's cultural/religious objection.

Very good. Since the majority position is in fact to support gay marriage then you agree that the vocal minority do not have the right to overturn the that position and that they should therefore accept such marriage.

only acceptable if it is a majority support within the clube they are trying to join ie MARRIED people. take a vote among married people and see how that works. why shoudl you non-members of the Marriage Club have a say on who we accept or reject as members?

I've been married to the same woman now for over 30 years longdickhead. Love her to bits too. So I think I can happily speak for that club of yours.

But in any case, your argument is as stupid as you are. Marriage is governed by the Marriage Act which is an act of the Parliament which speaks on behalf of ALL citizens. EVERYONE gets a say and the majority rules. That's how democracy works on this planet.

Of course, you probably do things different on planet Longloser but that's your problem.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #248 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:25pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Actually you are the one that has been insulting. I haven't called you a dickhead or anything like that.

The scenarios are not silly and have everything to do with any future redefinition of marriage. You want people to accept gays as normal, and if two men who love each other want to get married we should let them. But, you refuse to give an answer as to what would happen if two brothers want to marry in the future.

*Two brothers are both men, and if gay marriage is permitted then their gender is irrelevant.
*Two brothers can not reproduce, therefore no chance of deformed children.
*Their love for each other is none of anyone's business.
*It is discrimination not to allow two consenting adults to get married.
*it does not hurt anyone else.
*Incest has been around for as long as homosexuality, and is also wide spread around the world.

If you don't have a problem with two brother marrying eachother then admit that your fine with it.

If you do have a problem, then give a logical reason as to why it is wrong, and also give a reason as to why your allowed to take issue with two brothers getting married (and therefore interfering with their personal lives), but those who are against gay marriage should not interfere with redefining marriage.

Geezus matty! What are you afraid of? You've had the snip now so you're a girl. So it'll be OK if you marry your father.

Well...

...maybe not... Undecided

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #250 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:32pm

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

very well said. Since when does Gay Rights include the right to everything? 'Rights' as such are very different from priviledges and always has been. the term 'right' is overused. Any very small minority (such as gays) do not intrinsically ahve the right to overturn a majority position or usurp a majority's cultural/religious objection.

Very good. Since the majority position is in fact to support gay marriage then you agree that the vocal minority do not have the right to overturn the that position and that they should therefore accept such marriage.

only acceptable if it is a majority support within the clube they are trying to join ie MARRIED people. take a vote among married people and see how that works. why shoudl you non-members of the Marriage Club have a say on who we accept or reject as members?

I've been married to the same woman now for over 30 years longdickhead. Love her to bits too. So I think I can happily speak for that club of yours.

But in any case, your argument is as stupid as you are. Marriage is governed by the Marriage Act which is an act of the Parliament which speaks on behalf of ALL citizens. EVERYONE gets a say and the majority rules. That's how democracy works on this planet.

Of course, you probably do things different on planet Longloser but that's your problem.

I don't recall having voted on that topic.

However, I did conduct an impropmptu poll at my workplace, comprised completely of married, univeristy educated people and found 100% opposition to homosexual marriage. Fancy that eh?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #252 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:39pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

too easy....

paedophiles are as commone (if not more so) than gays. is that enough reason to legalise it?

Do you have any concept of the term "consenting adult"?

Seriously?

You latched onto "common" and conveniently disregarded the fact that he's talking about "consenting adults".

Why are you guys so insistent on bringing children and paedophiles into the argument? I'm starting to worry about some of you.

Too easy, indeed. Roll Eyes

because meat-head, the GIST of the debate is that the same identical arguments for gay marriage can be used to support a whole heap of other things including incest and paedophilia. I think the problem might be that you really have a great deal of digesting information that is not spewed out by you in the first place. The argument is simple and indisputable. What the brighter among us is asking you (aka the dimmer) is to construct a pro-gay marriage argument that stands on its own two feet and not be the same as promoting other behaviours?

I assume you dont understand the above, but I am willing to have you prove me wrong.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #253 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

However, I did conduct an impropmptu poll at my workplace, comprised completely of married, univeristy educated people and found 100% opposition to homosexual marriage. Fancy that eh?

You work at home and you polled your wife and yourself, yes? Grin

No, but I've polled that sample too. Again - 100% opposition.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #254 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

A legal kinship already exists between a father and son.

Thus, no marriage is required.

same as a kinship exists betwen gay couples therefor no marriage is required?

Its wonderful watching you give reason after reason that has EPIC fail associated with it.

Read it again Bozo: I said "legal" kinship.

"A legal kinship already exists between a father and son."

"Thus, no marriage is required."

A legal kinship does not exist between gay couples (who are not married).

Now, are you pretending to be this stupid or do you actually have some sort of mental retardation? Seriously. Roll Eyes

a DEFACTO relationship IS a legal relationship, meathead. Gay relationships now are DEFACTO. therefore already exists.

I think your meat suffers from mad Cow.

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