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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #225 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:11pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

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Is it mate?

Well, you tell me which defintion of normal it fits would you?

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nor·mal/ˈnôrməl/Adjective: Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.

Yup. Both. Its been around as long as humans. Some animals are even gay. Its normal within humanity for some to have a different sexual orientation.

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So different sexual orientations are "normal" then.

Ok, lets explore that.

Bestiality = normal.
necrophilia = normal
coprophilia = normal.

You starting to realise the absurdity of that statement?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #226 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Actually if you are religious (and you certainly seem to be) you would have had to do the paper signing as well as the religious ceremony. You know it isnt really a ceremony. Its like buying a house and you need witnesses for that too.

Does your husband know the real reason you married him? How about your kids?

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I always loved you as Techno Viking.

So much better than the "Poppa Bear" look you now project. Wink

But back to the topic, I wasn't asking whether you did these things or not, but whether you were just as outspoken on the changing of women's traditional roles?

It was all over by the time I reached adulthood. But yes, I have been outspoken against long daycare in my circle.

However, you conflate things unnecessarily. A woman going to work is not the same as a woman marrying her girlfriend.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #227 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

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Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #228 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

very well said. Since when does Gay Rights include the right to everything? 'Rights' as such are very different from priviledges and always has been. the term 'right' is overused. Any very small minority (such as gays) do not intrinsically ahve the right to overturn a majority position or usurp a majority's cultural/religious objection.

Very good. Since the majority position is in fact to support gay marriage then you agree that the vocal minority do not have the right to overturn the that position and that they should therefore accept such marriage.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #229 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

you are just being a dickhead. Gays are a normal part of society.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #232 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:46pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

you are just being a dickhead. Gays are a normal part of society.

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No, you just refuse to give any form of logical framework for your views.

You want to argue that homosexuality is normal and that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone else, therefore it is of no one else's concern and should be permitted. You are free to argue that. But as soon as the same argument is used for other sexual preferences you avoid the question.

Calling people a dickhead does not avoide the fact that you refuse to use the very arguments in defense for gay marriage in any other scenario.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #233 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Actually if you are religious (and you certainly seem to be) you would have had to do the paper signing as well as the religious ceremony. You know it isnt really a ceremony. Its like buying a house and you need witnesses for that too.

Does your husband know the real reason you married him? How about your kids?

SOB

http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/7/medium/Creation_of_Techno_Viking.jpg

I always loved you as Techno Viking.

So much better than the "Poppa Bear" look you now project. Wink

But back to the topic, I wasn't asking whether you did these things or not, but whether you were just as outspoken on the changing of women's traditional roles?

It was all over by the time I reached adulthood. But yes, I have been outspoken against long daycare in my circle.

However, you conflate things unnecessarily. A woman going to work is not the same as a woman marrying her girlfriend.

The changing of what could be regarded as "Traditional Society" is though.
Are you against the word marriage or against homosexuality period?

I really thought I didn't care about it until I posted that example, I don't know maybe it's just nostalgia but the 50's through to the mid 70's seems to be the golden age of our society in almost every way.
Everything before seems to be ground work everything after seems to be in decline.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #234 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:57pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

SOB

Your bigoted attitude towards men who want to marry their sons shows through. Wink

Considering how many fathers have been known to fiddle with their own kids, how can you claim that the desire is not there and has not been there forever? Maybe there are a lot of fathers in the closet that are too sacred to come out because of people like you.

Since you class gays (5-10% of the population depending on who you believe) as normal, how many people does a minority group take before it can be classed as normal?

you are just being a dickhead. Gays are a normal part of society.

SOB

No, you just refuse to give any form of logical framework for your views.

You want to argue that homosexuality is normal and that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone else, therefore it is of no one else's concern and should be permitted. You are free to argue that. But as soon as the same argument is used for other sexual preferences you avoid the question.

Calling people a dickhead does not avoide the fact that you refuse to use the very arguments in defense for gay marriage in any other scenario.

You are just putting up silly scenarios that have nothing to do with gay marriage. And trying to insult while you are @ it but thats par for the course in this forum it seems.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #235 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:58pm

PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:32pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

As you clearly do not understand what marriage is perhaps you should stay out of the debate?

Ask yourself the question "Why do people get married?"

Now is there anything about same sex relationships that should stop them from being able to ask themselves the same question?

Two guys getting 'married' is a perversion of the idea of marriage.
Marriage is a social institution for the purpooses of the society first, the married couple second (that is why it is a legal, not merely personal matter). It is a social institution. That is why the state is a stakeholder. For the churches it is also a sacrament, that is, it is recognbised by religious and secular tradition as a social institution. There is no such thing for friendship, or even siblinghood. There is no Friendship Act or Sibling Act but there is Marraige Act.
SO let's take that as read - it's not just about the two people.

So why do people get married? People get married because they want to be recognised as a social unit that is bridging the generations and performs all the other social and sacred acts that marraige is recognised for. People do not get married to have sex or kids or any of the private things that they can do equally without being married.

It is no accidnt that marriage is a ceremony. Like all ceremonies, it is a transformation. It trascends the two persons getting married and makes them into something that they cannot be without that ceremony.

It is a commitment to the other person as well as the society that sanctions the marriage. ANd that society is about preserving and improving what it has inherited and will transmit to the future.

Do you really care?

ACtually, I have children so I do care about the shape of things to come.

Ok so were you an outspoken advocate against women in the workforce?

Many many social & behavioral problems in modern children never occurred as little as 2 to 3 decades ago when the vast bulk of women still had traditional roles.Then they started to feel the need to be "Empowered" by working 40+ hours p/week & chucking little Joanne/Johnny into long day care a month or less after birth.

I am against what you describe. I wouldn't and didn't have my kids in childcare until they were ready for the 2-3 half-days at kindy, at age 3. None of them went to kindy full time. What's the point of bringing them into your life if you are going to park them in long daycare? I think sending babies into long daycare is terrible.

Each to their own I guess. I personally think not putting kids in childcare is a bit cruel, I'm nowhere near arrogant to think that I have better skills at early education that trained early education teachers, nor could I give my kid 1/10th the attention she gets in childcare.

If you want your kids to be social retards who can't relate to people their own age, don't get to play any group games and live in abject poverty because both parents can't work then yeah sure, keep them out of childcare.

They might even end up like you Undecided

Clearly, you know next to NOTHING about childcare. one-on-one parenting is superior, just not always possible. Childcare centres dont exist because they are superior. they exist because economics demands them.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #236 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

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Is it mate?

Well, you tell me which defintion of normal it fits would you?

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nor·mal/ˈnôrməl/Adjective: Conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.

Yup. Both. Its been around as long as humans. Some animals are even gay. Its normal within humanity for some to have a different sexual orientation.

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like cancer and genetic abnormalities are normal? EXISTENCE isnt sufficient evidence to call anything normal. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation too. Is that normal? And if not, why not. You have the exact same problem as you and most others have. You are using the same arguments to justify gay marriage as you can use to justify pedophilia and incest.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #237 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:02pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

A legal kinship already exists between a father and son.

Thus, no marriage is required.

same as a kinship exists betwen gay couples therefor no marriage is required?

Its wonderful watching you give reason after reason that has EPIC fail associated with it.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #238 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:03pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

I think gays want to get married because it is a link to being normal.

I agree, that's the point of the same sex marriage push, to normalise homosexuality.

It is normal

SOB

Would a 50 year old man marrying his 20 year old son be classed as normal? If not, on what grounds do you class it as abnormal or wrong?

Because I fail to see how you can redefine marriage to allow gays to marry, but then arbitrarily draw a line that disallows other relationships that don't harm anyone else.

50 year old men arent asking to marry their 20 year old sons. In fact ive never heard of anyone like that. Have you? I bet you havent. Maybe 1 psycho in all of time in some other country. Gays on the other hand are everywhere and have been forever. They are a normal part of our society.

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too easy....

paedophiles are as commone (if not more so) than gays. is that enough reason to legalise it?

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Reply #239 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

Gist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

very well said. Since when does Gay Rights include the right to everything? 'Rights' as such are very different from priviledges and always has been. the term 'right' is overused. Any very small minority (such as gays) do not intrinsically ahve the right to overturn a majority position or usurp a majority's cultural/religious objection.

Very good. Since the majority position is in fact to support gay marriage then you agree that the vocal minority do not have the right to overturn the that position and that they should therefore accept such marriage.

only acceptable if it is a majority support within the clube they are trying to join ie MARRIED people. take a vote among married people and see how that works. why shoudl you non-members of the Marriage Club have a say on who we accept or reject as members?

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