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angeleyes Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 615	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #135 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am Obviously it would hurt the roo. Speaking from experience is my guess.
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #136 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:37am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Well it would cause me mental anguish, and you, as an unmarried person (ie not a member) don't deserve a say in it.
What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote?

Using your "logic" ...

You are, supposedly, not gay.

Therefore, you don't deserve a say in gay marriage.

What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote? Undecided

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #137 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:38am

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

Your prejudices are your own personal problem.

Now now, this isnot about me.

Lets get back to how you draw the distinction between which instutions have the right to discriminate, and which don't.

You do know that one of the core reasons "women only" gyms get an exemption is because there are plenty of other gyms that men can join, therefore they're not being discriminated against?

If a law was passed banning all men from joining any gym then I'd have a problem with it.

Your example is more suited to an argument why a particular church / institution should be allowed to not perform same sex marriage.

It's definitely not an argument to ban it for everyone, even if there are institutions willing to perform the ceremony ...

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Reply #138 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

You really are ten shades of stupid aren't you? Incest isn't hurting anyone? So when their kids come out deformed this isn't harmful? Think before you type it's not that hard (well shouldn't be anyway)

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #139 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am

PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

Your prejudices are your own personal problem.

Now now, this isnot about me.

Lets get back to how you draw the distinction between which instutions have the right to discriminate, and which don't.

You do know that one of the core reasons "women only" gyms get an exemption is because there are plenty of other gyms that men can join, therefore they're not being discriminated against?

If a law was passed banning all men from joining any gym then I'd have a problem with it.

Your example is more suited to an argument why a particular church / institution should be allowed to not perform same sex marriage.

It's definitely not an argument to ban it for everyone, even if there are institutions willing to perform the ceremony ...

Female genital mutilation is performed in OZ on kitchen tables so do we repeal the law to allow it.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #140 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

Just to refresh your "dumbshit" memory. You said ...

"But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman."

And, my post shows how wrong you were (again).

You don't really know much about anything really, do you?

Sad.

Yep.

"culture" suggests it's practised by society - by the people, not just by a pharaoh and his boy-slave. Is "english culture" synonymous with eating watercress and cucumber sandwiches within buckigham palace? Naaah, cos it's not practised by wider society. If I jumped through a flaming hoop on my motorcycle, does that make flaming-hoop motorcycle jumping synonymous with 'australian culture"?

Fail again Uncie. What is it with you and failure?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #141 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:45am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

Just to refresh your "dumbshit" memory. You said ...

"But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman."

And, my post shows how wrong you were (again).

You don't really know much about anything really, do you?

Sad.

Yep.

"culture" suggests it's practised by society - by the people, not just by a pharaoh and his boy-slave. Is "english culture" synonymous with eating watercress and cucumber sandwiches within buckigham palace? Naaah, cos it's not practised by wider society. If I jumped through a flaming hoop on my motorcycle, does that make flaming-hoop motorcycle jumping synonymous with 'australian culture"?

Fail again Uncie. What is it with you and failure?

Not only a "dumbshit", but also too stupid to realise/admit when you were wrong.

You really are an amusing piece of work.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #142 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:46am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Well it would cause me mental anguish, and you, as an unmarried person (ie not a member) don't deserve a say in it.
What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote?

Using your "logic" ...

You are, supposedly, not gay.

Therefore, you don't deserve a say in gay marriage.

What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote? Undecided

(such a dumbshit Roll Eyes

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No such thing as gay marriage, therefore your "point" is moot.

If however, they were to institute their own version, let's call it homorriage, then of course, I would have no say. But when they want to horn in on an existing institution, they have no right to any input whatsoever.

Fail.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #143 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:46am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

Just to refresh your "dumbshit" memory. You said ...

"But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman."

And, my post shows how wrong you were (again).

You don't really know much about anything really, do you?

Sad.

Yep.

"culture" suggests it's practised by society - by the people, not just by a pharaoh and his boy-slave. Is "english culture" synonymous with eating watercress and cucumber sandwiches within buckigham palace? Naaah, cos it's not practised by wider society. If I jumped through a flaming hoop on my motorcycle, does that make flaming-hoop motorcycle jumping synonymous with 'australian culture"?

Fail again Uncie. What is it with you and failure?

Not only a "dumbshit", but also too stupid to realise/admit when you were wrong.

You really are an amusing piece of work.

Roll Eyes

Why do you alwasys expect me to 'admit I'm wrong" when I'm not?

Becasue you're a failure, and false victory claims are all you've got?

Not wrong there, am I, uncie herb?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #144 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:49am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Well it would cause me mental anguish, and you, as an unmarried person (ie not a member) don't deserve a say in it.
What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote?

Using your "logic" ...

You are, supposedly, not gay.

Therefore, you don't deserve a say in gay marriage.

What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote? Undecided

(such a dumbshit Roll Eyes

)

No such thing as gay marriage, therefore your "point" is moot.

If however, they were to institute their own version, let's call it homorriage, then of course, I would have no say. But when they want to horn in on an existing institution, they have no right to any input whatsoever.

LOL It seems you're actually more ignorant than I thought.

Mention the "no such thing as gay marriage" thing to Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden and see what they say.

LOL dumbshit. Grin

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #145 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:50am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

Interesting point about polygamy

If a man/woman live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's legal

If a man/woman gets married and live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's illegal

So the difference is the marriage certificate

Well no, you can't have multiple de-facto relationships (not under the legal definition of it anyway)

You can have as many relationships as you want, but only won of them can be de-facto and if you can't isolate which one that is then none of them are.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #146 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:50am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Well it would cause me mental anguish, and you, as an unmarried person (ie not a member) don't deserve a say in it.
What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote?

Using your "logic" ...

You are, supposedly, not gay.

Therefore, you don't deserve a say in gay marriage.

What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote? Undecided

(such a dumbshit Roll Eyes

)

No such thing as gay marriage, therefore your "point" is moot.

If however, they were to institute their own version, let's call it homorriage, then of course, I would have no say. But when they want to horn in on an existing institution, they have no right to any input whatsoever.

LOL It seems you're actually more ignorant than I thought.

Mention the "no such thing as gay marriage" thing to Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden and see what they say.

LOL dumbshit. Grin

Ahhh right you are. Well done.

Tell you what - I won't claim any right to input in the marriage laws of those countries OK?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #147 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:53am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Obviously it would hurt the roo.

Speaking from experience is my guess.

What a brilliant argument. your parents must be proud to have raised such a brilliant intellectual with great debating skills. Who woulda thought an attempted insult with no reference to the topic @ hand whatsoever would be such tactical genius. you have convinced me. whatever point you are trying to make must be the right one.

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Reply #149 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:56am

PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:50am: