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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #120 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #121 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:29am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

Interesting point about polygamy

If a man/woman live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's legal

If a man/woman gets married and live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's illegal

So the difference is the marriage certificate

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #122 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:29am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

incest has a higher risk of genetic problems but if you exclude having chidlren then what is the objection to incest? and consensual pedophilic relationships do occur and sometimes the only harm is those opposing them.

IM not in favour of either. Im saying that the argument for gay marriage is identical to the arguement for incest and underage relationships.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #123 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:32am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #124 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:42am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Interesting point about polygamy

If a man/woman live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's legal

If a man/woman gets married and live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's illegal

So the difference is the marriage certificate

And the reason for that is that marriage is not just about the people in the marriage.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #125 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:47am

Soren wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Interesting point about polygamy

If a man/woman live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's legal

If a man/woman gets married and live in a committed relationship with multiple partners - it's illegal

So the difference is the marriage certificate

And the reason for that is that marriage is not just about the people in the marriage.

And yet you still cant answer what else it is about

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #126 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:11am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

Not if it's two brothers banging each other. What grounds do you have for stoping two siblings of the same sex enjoying the joys of marriage? In what ways does it effect you personally that you have a right to object?

In fact, what stops 3 or more brothers from all marrying each other? Doesn't harm anyone else. No chance of deformed kids. What reasons are there for not allowing it?

While we're at it, why not chuck a roo and a sheep into the relationship as well. Can't be anymore harmful to the animals than chopping them up and serving them for dinner. So what danger is 3 men, a sheep, and a roo in bed together to the rest of us? Can't see any reason against it except for some of us being a bit old fashioned.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #127 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:17am

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

hohoho.

But there's nothing wrong with that, is there?

No, no, of course not! People's personal sexual preferences are nobody's business but their own!

So long as they leave it at their sexual preferences, and don't demand society validate their relationship with their friend/dog/pet rock as equal to a real relationship.

Why is that?

If every homosexual couple in the world were legally married tomorrow, my life would not be affected in the slightest.

What is it that concerns you the most?

Where will the impact be felt the most if they were all to marry tomorrow?

And, why aren't their relationships "real"?

AAAAND here's the exact point where the views of the drones and the thinkers diverge.

You see, the real relationships that marriage "cements" have utility. Homosexual ones do not. Well, unless you count the entirely selfish. However, that's not really comparable to the continuation of our species, is it?

I'd be very careful calling only for things which have utility - probably do yourself out of an existence ...

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PoliticalReality Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 155 Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #128 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:19am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm: It doesn't affect you if we changed the law along the lines of some of the Arab World where men marry 8 year olds. You ok with doing that then? It wouldn't affect you..... Would have a pretty big impact on the 8 years olds though ...
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #129 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:21am

Quantum wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

well those are not the MAIN arguments as you said they were. incest does hurt the children of the relationship. pedos hurt the child whether they consent or not. you are right about polygamy maybe it should be legal.

SOB

Not if it's two brothers banging each other. What grounds do you have for stoping two siblings of the same sex enjoying the joys of marriage? In what ways does it effect you personally that you have a right to object?

In fact, what stops 3 or more brothers from all marrying each other? Doesn't harm anyone else. No chance of deformed kids. What reasons are there for not allowing it?

While we're at it, why not chuck a roo and a sheep into the relationship as well. Can't be anymore harmful to the animals than chopping them up and serving them for dinner. So what danger is 3 men, a sheep, and a roo in bed together to the rest of us? Can't see any reason against it except for some of us being a bit old fashioned.

Obviously it would hurt the roo.

As for the rest of your crap well maybe there is nothing wrong with it. Maybe as per your suggestion they should be made legal. Whose name should the brothers take?

Gays getting married does not lead to incest or bestiality or paedophilia. That is just BS dreamed up by the ppl that cant handle other ppl being different.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #130 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:23am

PoliticalReality wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

hohoho.

But there's nothing wrong with that, is there?

No, no, of course not! People's personal sexual preferences are nobody's business but their own!

So long as they leave it at their sexual preferences, and don't demand society validate their relationship with their friend/dog/pet rock as equal to a real relationship.

Why is that?

If every homosexual couple in the world were legally married tomorrow, my life would not be affected in the slightest.

What is it that concerns you the most?

Where will the impact be felt the most if they were all to marry tomorrow?

And, why aren't their relationships "real"?

AAAAND here's the exact point where the views of the drones and the thinkers diverge.

You see, the real relationships that marriage "cements" have utility. Homosexual ones do not. Well, unless you count the entirely selfish. However, that's not really comparable to the continuation of our species, is it?

I'd be very careful calling only for things which have utility - probably do yourself out of an existence ...

heh.

Seriously, I'm not calling for them to be exterminated, just that something with no utility not be elevated to par with something that does. Recognising inequal things as equal is inequality.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #131 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:24am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:21am: Gays getting married does not lead to incest or bestiality or paedophilia. That is just BS dreamed up by the ppl that cant handle other ppl being different. SOB Care to elaborate on how you reached this conclusion?
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #132 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:26am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

It doesn't affect you if we changed the law along the lines of some of the Arab World where men marry 8 year olds.

You ok with doing that then?

It wouldn't affect you.....

Let me ask the question in a way that even a moron can understand, seeing as you had such difficulty with it previously.

If every single consenting, legal age gay couple got married tomorrow, how would any one's life be adversely affected?

it wouldn't.

Then why would anyone be opposed to gay marriage?

Remember, we're talking about gay marriage here, nothing else.

If it has no adverse affect on any one else, and it makes the gay people happy, why would you object to it?

what a lameass attitude. consensual pedophilia doesnt affect me either but Im not about to say it is good or that it shoudl be legal.

You seem to stumble over the concept of people having BELIEFS and STANDARDS they subscribe to. while at the same time blindly expecting us to submit to YOUR belifes and standards.

There no such thing as "consensual pedophilia" you idiot, children lack the capacity to give consent, adults don't.

Surely even and idiot on your magnificance can understand this?

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #133 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

Just to refresh your "dumbshit" memory. You said ...

"But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman."

And, my post shows how wrong you were (again).

You don't really know much about anything really, do you?

Sad.

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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #134 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:33am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 11:21am: