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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #105 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:55pm MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:52pm: There is a very good chance they would vote to allow same sex marriages. Would that make it O.K. It would make it fair, so I can respect that, if not like it. But I don't think you'd draw much support seeing what sectors of society still actually get married.
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #106 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:04pm In Alabama just over 50% of citizens believe interracial marriages should be legal. 21% are against it and the rest are unsure. If the majority of married people had to vote to accept interracial marriages there is a good chance interracial marriages would still be illegal in Alabama.
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #107 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

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Reply #108 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:26am

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

It is morally wrong.

(according to you, maybe)

And how will that cause any harm?

If every gay couple married tomorrow, and it is indeed "morally wrong" as you suggest, how will that affect anyone?

It will impede upon my moral compass.

Well, we certainly can't have that can we.

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Erm well, no we can't. Quite why we should disadvantage ourselves to grant favour to a handful of whiny fags is anyones guess. I mean, if they were being systematically slaughtered, sure. But they're not - any "discrimination" they claim to suffer is as much a figment of their imagination as our "moral compass" is to us.

So I'll add another question to your "waiting list" uncie.

- why should a homos mental anguish take precedence over our own?

Gays getting married will not cause me any mental anguish.

It won't affect me at all, therefore, I have no reason to object to their request.

Live and let live. If it makes other people happy, I'm happy.

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Reply #109 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:38am

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

In Alabama just over 50% of citizens believe interracial marriages should be legal. 21% are against it and the rest are unsure. If the majority of married people had to vote to accept interracial marriages there is a good chance interracial marriages would still be illegal in Alabama.

But you'd still be able to marry your sister Wink

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Reply #110 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

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Reply #111 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:06am

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

So you think that simply having me present harms the institution, and they have the right to exclude me?

Of course. If the institution has been set up to allow women to exercise unwatched by men, your presence would fundamentally harm the purpose of the institution.

I see. So naturally an insitution that was set up to affirm the relationship between a man and a woman should alos be afforded the same right. Excellent, I'm glad we've come to an agreement.

The concept of marriage does not solely belong to the church.

Correct.

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman. That is it's fundamental purpose, which would be undermined by admitting those who don't meet the membership criteria.

That is up to the individual church. If a church does not want to recognise a particular marriage, that is up to them. We live in a secular state, we make the rules. In our secular state SSA people should not be discriminated against.

why not? we discriminate against underage couples and incest couples. What makes gays so special? again, this is not homophobia. It is askign you to defend your position.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude? Reply #112 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:52pm: There is a very good chance they would vote to allow same sex marriages. Would that make it O.K. yes it would. would you be ok if they voted to exclude gay marriage?
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Re: Why R Homos and Greens so rude?
Reply #113 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

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Reply #114 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:08am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:26am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

It is morally wrong.

(according to you, maybe)

And how will that cause any harm?

If every gay couple married tomorrow, and it is indeed "morally wrong" as you suggest, how will that affect anyone?

It will impede upon my moral compass.

Well, we certainly can't have that can we.

Roll Eyes

Erm well, no we can't. Quite why we should disadvantage ourselves to grant favour to a handful of whiny fags is anyones guess. I mean, if they were being systematically slaughtered, sure. But they're not - any "discrimination" they claim to suffer is as much a figment of their imagination as our "moral compass" is to us.

So I'll add another question to your "waiting list" uncie.

- why should a homos mental anguish take precedence over our own?

Gays getting married will not cause me any mental anguish.

It won't affect me at all, therefore, I have no reason to object to their request.

Live and let live. If it makes other people happy, I'm happy.

Well it would cause me mental anguish, and you, as an unmarried person (ie not a member) don't deserve a say in it.
What club/institution/group/organisation would allow non-members to vote?

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Reply #115 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:09am

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

In Alabama just over 50% of citizens believe interracial marriages should be legal. 21% are against it and the rest are unsure. If the majority of married people had to vote to accept interracial marriages there is a good chance interracial marriages would still be illegal in Alabama.

so now you want to backtrack and say majority opinion DOESNT count? You need to be a little bit more convincing than that.

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Reply #116 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

PS you never did get round to answreing those questions....

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Reply #117 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

MOTR wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

Not too worried about what the law says. What do you think?

I support anti discrimination laws, I also support the provision for exemptions in special cases such as women only gyms or swimming pools.

I believe denying SSA people the right to marry makes them second class citizens.

what about brotehrs marrying sisters? why do you think you can deny them that right?

MOTR, the argument being made here is simple: most of the arguments for gay marriage could be made for many other currently illegal behaviours. So, you need to make a case that is more coherent and more specialised than 'discrimination'. This isnt homophobia, it is debating and picking holes in an argument. After all, if you can make an argument that doesnt also support incest and pedophilia then you do your side a great favour. at the moment, the arguments are weak and not at all special.

Oh? Which arguments? you say most but these are the main 2 arguments:

That they are both consenting adults? Nope
that they arent hurting anyone? Nope

What arguments then? What arguments for gay marriage can be made for any other illegal behaviours?

SOB

it's usualy a waste of time to respond to you but I will try - again.

incest is usually between consenting adults and they are hurting anyone. The same argument (consent) can be made for consensual pedophilia, polygamy etc.

Teh gay marriage debateis unremarkable in that it uses weak argument

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Reply #118 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:14am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

there ar entire communities that practice incest (tasmanis! LOL) and even been small societies that practiced pedophilia - the romans etc

once again a pro-gay marriage argument goes BOOM!

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Reply #119 - Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:15am

... wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:10am:

... wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

But throughout it's entire history and across all cultures, it is about affirming the scared relationship between man and woman.

Er, no.

You might want to study history a little more.

"Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom."

http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

LOL. You dumbshit. Evidence that a pharaoh was a sexual deviant. Compelling. Of course, being the pharaoh and all, if he wanted to marry a carrot, it'd have to be "recognized by the kingdom" or else.

So that's all you've got? Nothing a bit more...widespread?

He is a unionist. He is not familiar with the idea of 'widespread' support. All that matters is what the 'leadership' says.

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