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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #45 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Visa overstayers are irrelevant to the boat people topic, just a pathetic deflection from leftards to cover up this billion dollar debacle caused by myopic labor.

Nope. Wrong again.

The retarded right always use the term "illegal immigrants" first.

Those on the left never bring it up first, because they know it is, as you have stated, irrelevant in regard to boat people.

However, when the retarded right insist on mentioning that term we on the left need to set them straight (most are fairly slow learners).

So, we have to explain to these dopey dimwits that visa overstayers are in fact illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

Understand now, or are you one of those even slower learners? Hmmm?

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #46 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

A visa overstayer cannot claim asylum you dopey leftwads ignore this fact.

Try to keep up, ok?

I'm merely demonstrating:

a) asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants
b) visa overstyers are illegal immigrants
c) the majority of them are not sent home "faster than Speedy Gonzales" (another lie from the retarded right)

Stay focused.

while you might be LEGALLY accurate do you really think it adds anything to the debate? Liek it or not, pretty much everyone refers to boat people as 'illegals' and its pretty hard to disagree with them. They arrive ILLEGALLY and claiming asylum might technically negate that but it is really peripheral to the debate.

The VAST number of people object to people coming here thru illegal means and then trying to stay here. The problem isnt eliminated by some semantic debate.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #47 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:37pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Visa overstayers are irrelevant to the boat people topic, just a pathetic deflection from leftards to cover up this billion dollar debacle caused by myopic labor.

Nope. Wrong again.

The retarded right always uses the term "illegal immigrants" first.

Those on the left never bring it up first, because they know it is, as you have stated, irrelevant in regard to boat people.

However, when the retarded right insist on mentioning that term we on the left need to set them straight (most are fairly slow learners).

So, we have to explain to these dopey dimwits that visa overstayers are in fact illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

Understand now, or are you one of those even slower learners? Hmmm?

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #48 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Visa overstayers are irrelevant to the boat people topic, just a pathetic deflection from leftards to cover up this billion dollar debacle caused by myopic labor.

Nope. Wrong again.

The retarded right always use the term "illegal immigrants" first.

Those on the left never bring it up first, because they know it is, as you have stated, irrelevant in regard to boat people.

However, when the retarded right insist on mentioning that term we on the left need to set them straight (most are fairly slow learners).

So, we have to explain to these dopey dimwits that visa overstayers are in fact illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers.

Understand now, or are you one of those even slower learners? Hmmm?

visa overstayers are JUST visa overstayers. they dont have any migration status at all. dont distort the truth. And you claim that the left dont distort the facts really does your otherwise valuable contributions no good.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #49 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

LOL, its just sooooooooo easy to make armpits arguments look stupid.

if that were true, then it shoudl be easy for YOU to do it. But you never do. your ONLY response is abuse.

Pointing out an argument is stupid is not abuse, you should be familiar with that, all of your arguments fit into that category.When they are not pure abuse,of courser,longtimeliar. no wonder you got sacked as a mod, you cant even work that out.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60017 Here Gender:	Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat Reply #50 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:44pm Quote: Labor telling lies over latest boat Why would anyone lie about that? What no chance she made a mistake or got it wrong? As expected a pathetic dishonest title.
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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #51 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

while you might be LEGALLY accurate do you really think it adds anything to the debate?

Yes, most certainly.

Calling them "illegal immigrants" is an attempt to muddy the waters.

It adds nothing to the debate.

In order to be taken seriously one must base an argument on facts, not lies.

Any argument on boat people that starts out with "These illegal immigrants ... " is based on lies, and therefore cannot be taken seriously.

If opponents to asylum seekers want to be taken seriously, they need to familiarise themselves with the facts first.

Boat people are legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. Big difference.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #52 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

while you might be LEGALLY accurate do you really think it adds anything to the debate?

Yes, most certainly.

Calling them "illegal immigrants" is an attempt to muddy the waters.

It adds nothing to the debate.

In order to be taken seriously one must base an argument on facts, not lies.

Any argument on boat people that starts out with "These illegal immigrants ... " is based on lies, and therefore cannot be taken seriously.

If opponents to asylum seekers want to be taken seriously, they need to familiarise themselves with the facts first.

Boat people are legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. Big difference.

actually, it matters not a jot. it matters in,the legal course of events but in case you missed the point of the entire debate, it is about keeping them out in the first place.

yes you are technically correct but it is meaningless in the context of keeping people out. And as anyone who has ever been involved in the law or its processes would know, legal terminology is often quite different to community expectations. crimes such as assualt and rape have such a range that many people would object to some of the ultra-low-level definitions.

You can keep shouting that they are LEGAL asylum seekers all you like, but you are arguing the wrong point. No body cares if they are legal or illegal by some pedantic defintion. We dont want boat people at all. THAT is the issue. and the community believes that people who come to the country without permission are 'illegal'. Like it or not, THAT is the definition that counts.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #53 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

visa overstayers are JUST visa overstayers. they dont have any migration status at all. dont distort the truth. And you claim that the left dont distort the facts really does your otherwise valuable contributions no good.

Visa overstayers are indeed classified as illegal immigrants. Fact.

Boat people are not. Fact.

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Reply #54 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

Wrong - all you are guilty of is overstaying the length of time your visa is valid for. That does NOT make you an illegal immigrant.

Incorrect (once again). You really are ignorant on these matters, aren't you?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-...

Visa overstayers = illegal immigrants.

Boat people claiming asylum = legal asylum seekers.

Do a little research before making a bigger fool of yourself. Wink

Ever worked in Customs or the Immigration Dept? I have - I worked in Customs for 7.5 years. A person who overstays their visa is guilty of that only. Depending on the circumstances, most people are given their marching orders and told to be on a plane or they face jail and/or fines. The vast majority are outta here faster than Speedy Gonzales. Boat people who claim asylum are legally entitled to do so, however they are also detained for having breached immigration laws by arriving without a passport and visa until their claim has been assessed. If their claim is rejected, they are deported. It's really THAT simple.

most people are given their marching orders and told to be on a plane or they face jail and/or fines.

They not illegal but they are going to be put in jaol or fined by the imigration department????????

Looks to be somewhat contradictory.

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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat Reply #55 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:54pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:49pm: We dont want boat people at all. Don't include me in that "we". I have no problem with assisting legal asylum seekers. What is it about helping legal asylum seekers that bothers you? What do you have against assisting fellow humans in need?
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat Reply #56 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:54pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:49pm: We dont want boat people at all. How do you know that?
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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #57 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

Frances wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

We dont want boat people at all.

How do you know that?

He means the conga line of xenophobes dont want boat people at all. I'm happy to take our fair share like the rest of the world, its a pity we dont. Both major parties should be ashamed at bowing to the minority xenophobes.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #58 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

We dont want boat people at all.

Don't include me in that "we".

I have no problem with assisting legal asylum seekers.

What is it about helping legal asylum seekers that bothers you? What do you have against assisting fellow humans in need?

I have no problem with assisting legal asylum seekers. In fact, given that this nation has signed up to a charter saying that we will do so, I demand that we do exactly what we've said we would do.

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Re: Labor telling lies over latest boat
Reply #59 - Jun 12^th, 2012 at 2:03pm

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Liek it or not, pretty much everyone refers to boat people as 'illegals' and its pretty hard to disagree with them.

No just the brainwashed idiots that listen to the yankstyle media advertising and propaganda

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actually, it matters not a jot.

If it doesnt matter why do you keep doing it?

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