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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: the legality of Israeli settlements Reply #15 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.
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Reply #16 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:40pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened
The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

It is not just any land.
Israel is the Jewish hone land. It is given by God himself to the Jews.
There are many Jews in New York we could have this.

But no it is Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa. Where Jews belong.

Given by that blackstone fellow you mean. Some american preacher. Wasnt even a jew. He was xtian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Memorial

Nobody is denying you israel though. You already have it - keep it. Who cares. Just keep out of everyone elses yard.

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Reply #17 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm:

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Your own government does not agree with you.

Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

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Reply #18 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm:

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Your own government does not agree with you.

Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

I rarely agree with my own govt

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Reply #19 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:33pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm:

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Your own government does not agree with you.

Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

I rarely agree with my own govt

That is your own personal opinion.
But if you look at the United Nations failure on resolutions for Israel, you will see it is not a view the world opinion has.

Last 2 resolutions both vetod.

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Re: the legality of Israeli settlements
Reply #20 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:44pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:43pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 4:24pm:

I have no problem with Arab Jews making some claim to the region but as for European Jews saying its their homeland..that is a joke on all of us.

Your own government does not agree with you.

Look up the last two United Nations resolutions. Look at the results of the world does not agree with you.

I rarely agree with my own govt

That is your own personal opinion.
But if you look at the United Nations failure on resolutions for Israel, you will see it is not a view the world opinion has.

Last 2 resolutions both vetod.

Whatever they say (and they are obviously biased for religions sake) cant you feel it in your being that you are wrong? No empathy whatsoever? Have you tried imagining that you are a palestinian and seeing it from their side?

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Reply #21 - Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 6:40pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened
The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

It wasn't stolen. There is nothing in international law that says land belongs to racial groups.

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Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:02am

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 6:40pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 3:55pm:

The Jewish people should have been given German land after WW2 not Arab land and then this problem would never have happened
The British Colonialists had no right to steal Arab land and hand it over to European Jews.

It wasn't stolen. There is nothing in international law that says land belongs to racial groups.

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But they are/were living there. Israel tried to take gaza as well. Where they expect the palestinains to go? Hmmmm? Lay down and die? Theres 5 million of them arent there?

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Reply #23 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:41am

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Israel tried to take gaza as well.

How hard did they try? As hard as all the neighbouring countries, including the palestinians, tried to completely destroy Israel?

Where do you think the Israelis should go if that happens? Do you agree with the Muslims here that they should be sent back to Europe or forced to seek asylum?

If Israel actually took all of Gaza, they would have to deal with palestinian citizens, which is why they don't.

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Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:24am

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

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Israel tried to take gaza as well.

How hard did they try? As hard as all the neighbouring countries, including the palestinians, tried to completely destroy Israel?

Where do you think the Israelis should go if that happens? Do you agree with the Muslims here that they should be sent back to Europe or forced to seek asylum?

If Israel actually took all of Gaza, they would have to deal with palestinian citizens, which is why they don't.

They tried to.

Anyway it was 1967 according to you. Why is israel STILL attacking them?

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Reply #25 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

The Palestinians are still lobbing rockets because according to Muslims (eg Abu and Falah) the war never ended and a glorious victory is just around the corner for Islam, so it would be silly for Muslims to attempt to end it now and admit defeat. And of course, every time the Israelis try to get rid of the militants (the Palestinian authorities can't seem to bring themselves to) the Muslims make Israel out to be the aggressor and many uninformed naive people fall for it.

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Re: the legality of Israeli settlements
Reply #26 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:08am

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

The Palestinians are still lobbing rockets because according to Muslims (eg Abu and Falah) the war never ended and a glorious victory is just around the corner for Islam, so it would be silly for Muslims to attempt to end it now and admit defeat. And of course, every time the Israelis try to get rid of the militants (the Palestinian authorities can't seem to bring themselves to) the Muslims make Israel out to be the aggressor and many uninformed naive people fall for it.

As I said before I havent talked to abu and falah. I will prolly get around to it eventually but I havent yet. Neither of them has answered questions I have asked them anyway so I dont bother with the islam area ATM. Maybe later.

when was the last rocket and why was it lobbed? Dont tell me BS about "because they are muslims" either. Not every palestinian is a muslim yet all of them are oppressed by israel.

When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: the legality of Israeli settlements Reply #28 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:20am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:08am: When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free? SOB In the fullness of time, Minister.
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Reply #29 - Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:23am

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

When are the ppl being held without trial going to be set free?

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In the fullness of time, Minister.

Obviously. I thought it was a condition of the deal they made to end the hunger strike that they would get actual trials and not be held without charge anymore?

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