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Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Reply #16 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

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Reply #17 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:41am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:39am:

Its no different from when the GST was introduced.
The governement has to make sure dodgy businesses are not gouging consumers and blaming the new tax for it.

The difference is Howard took the issue to an election and the people cast their vote in favour of it.

As such they accept any issues that arise out of it

Gillard is doing this against the people's will!

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Reply #18 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

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Reply #19 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:46am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Passing it on when it exists? Yes, that's justified. Passing on some imaginary, non-existent tax? Not justified. Passing on the tax plus more as well? Also not justified.

Pretty basic really.

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Reply #20 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

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Reply #21 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

The difference is Howard to his change of policy to an election - Gillard didn't.

While you advocate that the hiccups are the same - I am saying because of the above difference Gillard's hiccups should be and will be condemned more than Howard.

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Reply #22 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

The difference is Howard to his change of policy to an election - Gillard didn't.

While you advocate that the hiccups are the same - I am saying because of the above difference Gillard's hiccups should be and will be condemned more than Howard.

You keep repeating that as if it is going to make a difference ... Howard took the GST to an election, and several business' got hammered for price gauging.. Gillard didn't and the same thing is happening ...doesn't that proves that if it goes to election or not it has no bearing on the rip of merchants ....

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Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Reply #23 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

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"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

[...]

Is that the same ACCC that has made life a living hell for the petrol companies? Is that the same ACCC that has been merciless in its pursuit of Woolies and Coles in an attempt to reign in their predatory practices? Be Vewwy Vewwy afraid.

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Reply #24 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:03am

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

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"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

[...]

Is that the same ACCC that has made life a living hell for the petrol companies? Is that the same ACCC that has been merciless in its pursuit of Woolies and Coles in an attempt to reign in their predatory practices? Be Vewwy Vewwy afraid.

Great point - Petrol Watch and Grocery Watch

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Reply #25 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

[...]

"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

[...]

Is that the same ACCC that has made life a living hell for the petrol companies? Is that the same ACCC that has been merciless in its pursuit of Woolies and Coles in an attempt to reign in their predatory practices? Be Vewwy Vewwy afraid.

It's the same ACCC that Howard used to prevent price gauging after the GST was introduced

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Reply #26 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

The difference is Howard to his change of policy to an election - Gillard didn't.

While you advocate that the hiccups are the same - I am saying because of the above difference Gillard's hiccups should be and will be condemned more than Howard.

You keep repeating that as if it is going to make a difference ... Howard took the GST to an election, and several business' got hammered for price gauging.. Gillard didn't and the same thing is happening ...doesn't that proves that if it goes to election or not it has no bearing on the rip of merchants ....

Of course it will make a difference.

The LIBs will go to the next poll with a clear message "We will repeal the carbon tax"

Votes will be cast - the difference will be made!!!

Look back at the election after the GST was introduced. Did any Labor leader dared to campaign against the GST? NO!!!

That's the difference

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Reply #27 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am

The Greens went to the election with a carbon tax as policy and either of the major parties was always going to have to negotiate with the Greens over the issue when they got in.
Just as whoever gets in at the next election will have to do the same thing..Labor or Coalition.
If you think the issue of carbon pollution will just go away because Abbott has decided to play politics with a very important issue you are very much mistaken.
The Greens will still have the balance of power in the Senate no matter who grabs power next time around and with a stable supporter base no amount of DD's will dislodge them.
So I would stop buying Abbotts constant lies and spin and get with the program.

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Reply #28 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am:

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

[...]

"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

[...]

Is that the same ACCC that has made life a living hell for the petrol companies? Is that the same ACCC that has been merciless in its pursuit of Woolies and Coles in an attempt to reign in their predatory practices? Be Vewwy Vewwy afraid.

It's the same ACCC that Howard used to prevent price gauging after the GST was introduced

Now Labor is in - they stuffed it up with their useless Petrol Watch and Grocery Watch

The same with the FWA - Labor has made a mockery of this department as well with the Thomson case

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Reply #29 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:07am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

The difference is Howard to his change of policy to an election - Gillard didn't.

While you advocate that the hiccups are the same - I am saying because of the above difference Gillard's hiccups should be and will be condemned more than Howard.

You keep repeating that as if it is going to make a difference ... Howard took the GST to an election, and several business' got hammered for price gauging.. Gillard didn't and the same thing is happening ...doesn't that proves that if it goes to election or not it has no bearing on the rip of merchants ....

Of course it will make a difference.

The LIBs will go to the next poll with a clear message "We will repeal the carbon tax"

Votes will be cast - the difference will be made!!!

Look back at the election after the GST was introduced. Did any Labor leader dared to campaign against the GST? NO!!!

That's the difference

Now your just blowing smoke out of your arse ... it has nothing to do with the topic

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