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Reply #165 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:05am

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Git, you can't 'nullify' a vote of MPs in the chamber.

Of course you can't Soren. Well done, that's the only sensible thing you've said all day.

Now maybe you could explain it to Grabbott because he's been saying for ages now that you can and that Labor should. Of course, you'll need to muster some patience. He's an even bigger dunderhead than you are so it could take weeks for him to understand.

Hey, Git, some d!ckhead is using your login details and is posting crap under your name.
Look, he is so stupid that he is even talking about nullifying votes:
Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 3:20pm:

In fact crossing the floor is the ONLY way to nullify Thomson's vote as my earlier posts showed. But the penny still hasn't dropped with you has it?

If grAbbott wanted to nullify Thomson's vote then he should have crossed the floor. But he's a hypocrite so it's no surprise that he didn't.

This d!ckhead thinks it is possible to nullify a vote. You should be outraged.

You shoud contact the Mods. Are your credit card and DL safe?

Well, to be fair, he was talking to a simpleton. You have to talk to them in terms they understand you know. Kind of like water wearing down a house brick. Eventually it gets through... and see? Some time later you yourself realise the error.

Yeah, you are caught out being a git, thank you. You have argued against yourself and calling me a simpleton will not change that, no matter how many dot dot dots you use.

Poor old Simple Soren. I didn't argue against myself. Let me explain it for you step by step in terms you might understand:

There is no true nullifying of a vote. Thomson voted with the opposition. He was entitled to vote that way and he did. There he was along side them and NOTHING can nullify that unless maybe you have a time machine in your back pocket and can somehow go and forcibly remove him. He's there. There are pictures to prove it. You can't nullify that! Anyone with any sense can realise that, as you've now come to realise yourself.

But if you want to nullify the COUNT then the only way to do that is for someone on the opposition benches to cross the floor. As I also said.

I realise this is complicated for you. Don't rush it, you may need a while to digest it.

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #166 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 7:21am:

He said that if there was only the option of either a carbon tax or ETS, he's choose a carbon tax. He did NOT say a carbon tax is the best way to go, merely that it was the lesser of two evils. The sooner you and other Leftards acknowledge this FACT, the sooner you will stop looking like a fool with egg all over your face.

He said that if there was only the option of either a carbon tax or ETS

It is hard to believe that your comprehension could be that poor, what he said was very specific "if you want to put a price on carbon" which he clearly does.

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #167 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:25pm

angeleyes wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

I have come to the conclusion that Dnarever is short on grey matter. Anyone that thinks Juliar and Swan aren't liars needs remedial English lessons. .

And yet you can not refute the facts I post?

Just look at the quality of content in your post here, OH sorry as usual there is none.

You know that what I said was correct and the guy in support of the conservative view was just making silly comments so you jump in and play the man.

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #168 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:05am:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:45pm:

Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Git, you can't 'nullify' a vote of MPs in the chamber.

Of course you can't Soren. Well done, that's the only sensible thing you've said all day.

Now maybe you could explain it to Grabbott because he's been saying for ages now that you can and that Labor should. Of course, you'll need to muster some patience. He's an even bigger dunderhead than you are so it could take weeks for him to understand.

Hey, Git, some d!ckhead is using your login details and is posting crap under your name.
Look, he is so stupid that he is even talking about nullifying votes:
Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 3:20pm:

In fact crossing the floor is the ONLY way to nullify Thomson's vote as my earlier posts showed. But the penny still hasn't dropped with you has it?

If grAbbott wanted to nullify Thomson's vote then he should have crossed the floor. But he's a hypocrite so it's no surprise that he didn't.

This d!ckhead thinks it is possible to nullify a vote. You should be outraged.

You shoud contact the Mods. Are your credit card and DL safe?

Well, to be fair, he was talking to a simpleton. You have to talk to them in terms they understand you know. Kind of like water wearing down a house brick. Eventually it gets through... and see? Some time later you yourself realise the error.

Yeah, you are caught out being a git, thank you. You have argued against yourself and calling me a simpleton will not change that, no matter how many dot dot dots you use.

Poor old Simple Soren. I didn't argue against myself. Let me explain it for you step by step in terms you might understand:

There is no true nullifying of a vote. Thomson voted with the opposition. He was entitled to vote that way and he did. There he was along side them and NOTHING can nullify that unless maybe you have a time machine in your back pocket and can somehow go and forcibly remove him. He's there. There are pictures to prove it. You can't nullify that! Anyone with any sense can realise that, as you've now come to realise yourself.

But if you want to nullify the COUNT then

the only way

to do that is for someone on the opposition benches to cross the floor. As I also said.

I realise this is complicated for you. Don't rush it, you may need a while to digest it.

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #169 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

I don't think the solution would be for Labor to act as childishly and improperly as the Liberals had is a solution.

Once the doors are ordered locked nobody is allowed to leave the chamber. Abbnott and Pine should have been repremanded for their very ordinary behaviour.

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the option to abstain from the vote?

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #170 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 1:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

I don't think the solution would be for Labor to act as childishly and improperly as the Liberals had is a solution.

Once the doors are ordered locked nobody is allowed to leave the chamber. Abbnott and Pine should have been repremanded for their very ordinary behaviour.

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the option to abstain from the vote?

Who said anything about Labor? They just have to sit there.

The two people leaving (in this situation) have to be coalition MP's. That is what Abbott and Pyne tried to do. By removing themselves from the vote the balance in the chamber would have been restored to the same as if Thomson didn't change sides.

Once Pyne had got out the door there was no longer an option for Abbott to cross the floor without disadvantaging the coalition.

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Reply #171 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 1:44pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 1:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

I don't think the solution would be for Labor to act as childishly and improperly as the Liberals had is a solution.

Once the doors are ordered locked nobody is allowed to leave the chamber. Abbnott and Pine should have been repremanded for their very ordinary behaviour.

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the option to abstain from the vote?

Who said anything about Labor? They just have to sit there.

The two people leaving (in this situation) have to be coalition MP's. That is what Abbott and Pyne tried to do. By removing themselves from the vote the balance in the chamber would have been restored to the same as if Thomson didn't change sides.

Once Pyne had got out the door there was no longer an option for Abbott to cross the floor without disadvantaging the coalition.

Then they take another chair away and start the music again?

Next week they are going to bring in the blind fold and a tail with a pin in it to play pin the tail on the Abbnott.

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Re: Abbott, Pyne run like naughty boys
Reply #173 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 2:08pm

angeleyes wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 1:52pm:

Then they take another chair away and start the music again?

Next week they are going to bring in the blind fold and a tail with a pin in it to play pin the tail on the Abbnott.

Sounds like your kind of game.

Simple.

Remember that Tnoy could not even get out the door - the worry is that he isn't smart enough to play the Donkey.

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Reply #174 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 2:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

I don't think the solution would be for Labor to act as childishly and improperly as the Liberals had is a solution.

Once the doors are ordered locked nobody is allowed to leave the chamber. Abbnott and Pine should have been repremanded for their very ordinary behaviour.

I wonder why nobody has mentioned the option to abstain from the vote?

Their decision making under pressure needs to be questioned..

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Reply #175 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:40pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 12:42pm:

No, there is another way. Two people form the opposition leave the chamber, just as Abbott and Pyne tried to do. That balances the votes as there is no advantage for the coalition and no disadvantage for Labor.

Thanks Quantum but it still isn't quite the same. To revisit an earlier post:

Gist wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 1:17pm:

... Thomson had two choices - vote with the government or vote with the opposition.

Had he voted with the government and all the other independents voted with the opposition as they did the the vote would have been 72/78 for/against.

Had he voted with the opposition and Pyne not absented himself then the vote would have been 71/79 for/against.

But Pyne leapt with the speed of a thousand gazelles so the vote was actually 71/78 for/against.

...

In your scenario the vote would be 71/77 which is different again from the 72/78 scenario of Thomson voting with the government. I accept that this is a fine line to be drawing nevertheless, it's there and I'm calling attention to it. If Tony truly wanted to wash away the stain he should have had the courage to get one of his team to cross the floor.

Oh.. for Soren's benefit I better highlight that we are talking about the COUNT. Thomson's vote still can't be nullified in any real way. There are pictures of him voting with the opposition and they don't go away no matter what anyone does with the count.

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Reply #176 - Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 4:01pm

This is one of the first things I said on this, Git:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 1:28pm:

To neutralise his vote ADDED to your own all you need to do is remove one of your own which you would have had otherwise, so adding his to yours didn't increase your vote in the ned - no benefit to your numbers.

That's the point Git.

Asking you to actively vote against yourself is the kind of BS we have come to expect from Thommo - and you.

Not benefiting from Thommo's vote when the votes are counted. Not nullify, as you wanted for a while. Neutralise as far as it would benefit the Coalition. But being a dedicated prog numpty, reasoning just doesn't cut it with you if it is not in support of some prog ideological battle.

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