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Reply #30 - May 30th, 2012 at 1:04pm
 
Gist wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 11:37am:
Maqqa wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 11:05am:
If you are accusing a legislated body (FWA) of corruption then please provide evidence.

This is like accusing the ATO of corruption. Even Paul Hogan settled out of court despite protesting his innocence at their FINDINGS


No I'm not outright accusing FWA of being corrupt. But it does seem to me that in an organisation with so many problems among management as HSU had, it's a pretty glaring omission for FWA NOT to investigate a senior person. That omission could be because of corruption or it could just as easily be due to incompetence.

Either way, who knows what would be found if an investigation was done? So far it appears nobody else has had clean hands so why would anyone who is not a house brick assume Jackson lilly white?


You either accuse them or you are not accusing them. They are a legislated body and if there are proof of corruption then it should be referred to the appropriate authorities for investigation. Otherwise you have nothing!!
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Reply #31 - May 30th, 2012 at 1:18pm
 
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Reply #32 - May 30th, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
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Reply #33 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:08pm
 
An interesting article, just for you Cods seeing your so outraged at this scandal.

Its a bit long so I'll post a few salient points & a link.

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Another ground-breaking investigative report from Peter Wicks shows evidence of huge unexplained payments being made to HSU “whistleblower” Kathy Jackson — as Craig Thomson’s so-called “conspiracy theories” begin to look more and more believable.


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However, as we have written about over the past fortnight, with the evidence of Michael Lawler’s massive conflicts of interest, which also includes his active involvement in HSU politics on behalf of Kathy Jackson (as has now finally been reported by the ABC in the last 24 hours), Lawler’s seniority within the FWA does lead many, including us, to have deep misgivings about the even-handedness and veracity of the FWA investigation. This is magnified when we consider that it appears as if Kathy Jackson has had access to FWA computers, and used them to send HSU material, as we’ve previously reported.


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These reservations are multiplied again, when one considers that when Nassios asked the HSU to provide all the financial and management records for the time period that Craig Thomson was working for the HSU — it was Kathy Jackson who personally delivered the 4 boxes of records, containing just 12 folders.

That’s right, Craig Thomson’s main accuser was the one who checked out all the records and then personally delivered them to the FWA.

Once Nassios checked through the records, he found that many documents he had expected to find, like the minutes of all HSU national office board meetings, were not included in those 12 folders.


Nassios says he rang the HSU but was unable to talk to Kathy Jackson as she had left the country, so he asked other staff there if there were any records that had failed to be delivered to him. The staff assured him that he had been given the records but couldn’t confirm that this was, in fact, the case. All they could say definitively was that Kathy Jackson had checked out all the records — none of them were present when she delivered the documents.


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The first question that should be asked is why a senior union official, who was being paid over a quarter of a million dollars per annum, plus benefits, was doing such a mundane job as being a courier?

Secondly, what proof is there that she actually delivered all the records?

Thirdly, why did Nassios not question the fact that Jackson had just had unrestricted access to the records immediately before they came into his possession?


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It seems that one of the reasons the FWA report took so long to complete was that Nassios was, right up until the 2nd half of last year, still trying to get the missing board minutes from the FWA. If Craig Thomson is actually telling the truth about trying to implement proper procedures, controls and standards of accounting at the HSU while being actively resisted by Kathy Jackson— then those minutes going missing would indeed be most advantageous to Jackson, as they would be the exact records that could prove this one way or the other.


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From our investigations, however, it is abundantly clear that the rot in the HSU was far more extensive than just one or two corrupt individuals. And the more I look into it, the more information I uncover, and the more documents that find their way into my hands — the more I understand why HSU members are so livid. The following video is instructive as to the extent of the factional in-fighting and allegations of corruption by multiple officials at the HSU:


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There are those who have pointed out to me that, according to the Murdoch press,
Craig Thomson has over $500,000 worth of union money to explain.
Many of these people point out that the approximately $26,000 of questionable Union funds that we have exposed – which Craig’s accuser Kathy Jackson needs to explain – is small-fry in comparison.

Contrary to those assertions, the Australian Electoral Commission has cleared has, in fact, cleared most of the accusations about Craig’s electoral funding, which apparently made up the bulk of the $500,000.
This in turn has brought the amount of unexplained funding down to about $17,000.
It must also be remembered, these funds were used for union advertising, as part of the anti-WorkChoices campaign — not going straight to Thomson’s bank account. There are no allegations I can find that suggest any payments had been made directly to Craig Thomson.


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It appears, judging by this statement, that Jackson does not like to see unnecessary expenditure and, indeed, is willing to make personal sacrifices for the good of the members. It is commendable, yet rather odd, that after receiving this salary for years, she had only chosen to address her excessive pay now — still, better late than never, I guess.

While Kathy Jackson’s statement on 7.30 may seem honourable to some – including Tony Abbott, who called her a hero – documents that have come into my possession paint a rather different picture.

[NOTE: All documents, by the way, will be turned over to any police or official investigation upon request. We want to make clear that we have no – and never at any time had any – intention of retaining possession of these documents and will make all reasonable efforts, once our investigations are complete, to return all items to their rightful and lawful owners.]

    From the HSU Vic No. 3 Branch  minutes: Kathy Jackson’s “honorarium”

According to these documents, Kathy Jackson claimed, and was paid, $63,000 on 30 June 2010. The payment was called an “honorarium” and was, according to the HSU – Victorian Branch No. 3 minutes, simply performing her duties as the Branch Secretary and were in addition to her $270,000 annual salary. If somebody really wanted to reduce their wage by $100,000 then, to me, it would seem logical not to claim an extra $63,000 when it was not necessary she do so.

Even more seriously, the 2010 Auditors by Agostinelli and Perlen, Chartered Accountants, into the HSU – Vic No. 3 Branch has a payment that stands out alarmingly, to say the very least.

On page 18 of that report, it shows an amount described as “Key Management Personnel Compensation”. The only recipient listed is Katherine Jackson — and it is for $522,570. That’s over half a million dollars taken from some of the nation’s lowest paid workers.


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ndependent Australia and I have both have received numerous anonymous tips to look into the HESTA fund and its trustee’s. Unfortunately, we have not had the time to thoroughly do so. It is, however, interesting to note that on 15 August 2007, there is a payment for Accommodation and Travel to Kathy Jackson marked ‘HESTA’ for $13,100. That’s some travel expense.

Indeed, in just two weeks, we have found payments to Kathy Jackson, and to her children’s Child Care Centre, totalling $659,063.18. Bear in mind that Kathy Jackson is not an investment banker, she is a union official representing low-paid healthy service workers.

Below is a breakdown:

    $4,860.72 – K. Koukavaos Consulting

    $36,867.46 – Neranto No. 10, for consultancy services

    $13,100 – Katherine Jackson direct, for Accommodation and travel HESTA

    $12,500 – Katherine Jackson direct, for postage and shipping. Apparently lots of shipping…

    $63,000 – Katherine Jackson direct, for an Honorarium payment

    $6,165 – Minifie Park Child Care Association, apparent staff benefits and uniforms

    $522,570 – Katherine Jackson direct – Key Management Personnel Compensation

Documentation of these payments may be accessed on our site via the links mentioned above.


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In the thousands of messages we have received, there was just one that expressed concern for Jackson’s partner, Michael Lawler, Vice President of Fair Work Australia. Lawler has, as we’ve reported, been on “Long Leave” suddenly the working day before Thomson’s address to parliament and has been keeping a low profile since.

We have some good news for that person, and anyone else with concerns for Lawler. According to several eye-witness reports we have received, he was spotted last week looking dapper and as fresh as a daisy in a café, having a cuppa with his partner Kathy Jackson, along with the manager of Opposition Business Christopher Pyne.

The same Christopher Pyne who had a late night drinking session James Ashby.

Hmmm…


http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/thomson-6-the-falling-few-and-...



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Re: Fair Work to give more evidence over Thomson
Reply #34 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:24pm
 
Maqqa wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
You either accuse them or you are not accusing them. They are a legislated body and if there are proof of corruption then it should be referred to the appropriate authorities for investigation. Otherwise you have nothing!!


  • I have the observational fact that there are many, many allegations against many senior people in the HSU
  • I have the observational fact that there are serious allegations of corruption being rife within that organisation
  • I have the observational fact that Jackson was a senior person within that organisation
  • I have the observational fact that some senior people were investigated
  • I have the observational fact that Jackson was not investigated


Would you care to explain why on that last one?
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Reply #35 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:39pm
 
The first question that should be asked is why a senior union official, who was being paid over a quarter of a million dollars per annum, plus benefits, was doing such a mundane job as being a courier?




What does her remuneration have to do with her taking paperwork to FWA?

Here is something you missed.


    CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn’t that seem a little excessive… [discussing Kathy Jackson’s pay rise to $270,000]

    KATHY JACKSON: Yes, it does.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: … for someone who represents some of the poorest workers in Australia?

    KATHY JACKSON: I agree with you but let’s look at the history of this. As I said previously this was rammed through the council, by Michael Williamson and his people. We objected to it. The Victorians ran a case against it to the council, it was in camera.

    I wasn’t at the meeting. We were asked to leave. The New South Wales councillors rammed this proposal through.

    At mediation last week in the courts, as part of that mediation, process, I put my hand up and said that I should get at least $100,000 salary cut, and that was rejected.


Make sure you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth smithy.

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Reply #36 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
According to several eye-witness reports we have received, he was spotted last week looking dapper and as fresh as a daisy in a café, having a cuppa with his partner Kathy Jackson, along with the manager of Opposition Business Christopher Pyne.


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Re: Fair Work to give more evidence over Thomson
Reply #37 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:45pm
 
angeleyes wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:39pm:
The first question that should be asked is why a senior union official, who was being paid over a quarter of a million dollars per annum, plus benefits, was doing such a mundane job as being a courier?




What does her remuneration have to do with her taking paperwork to FWA?

Here is something you missed.


    CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn’t that seem a little excessive… [discussing Kathy Jackson’s pay rise to $270,000]

    KATHY JACKSON: Yes, it does.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: … for someone who represents some of the poorest workers in Australia?

    KATHY JACKSON: I agree with you but let’s look at the history of this. As I said previously this was rammed through the council, by Michael Williamson and his people. We objected to it. The Victorians ran a case against it to the council, it was in camera.

    I wasn’t at the meeting. We were asked to leave. The New South Wales councillors rammed this proposal through.

    At mediation last week in the courts, as part of that mediation, process, I put my hand up and said that I should get at least $100,000 salary cut, and that was rejected.


Make sure you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth smithy.



And here's something YOU missed my dear,which is actually posted above,

According to these documents, Kathy Jackson claimed, and was paid, $63,000 on 30 June 2010. The payment was called an “honorarium” and was, according to the HSU – Victorian Branch No. 3 minutes, simply performing her duties as the Branch Secretary and were in addition to her $270,000 annual salary.
If somebody really wanted to reduce their wage by $100,000 then, to me, it would seem logical not to claim an extra $63,000 when it was not necessary she do so.


Even more seriously, the 2010 Auditors by Agostinelli and Perlen, Chartered Accountants, into the HSU – Vic No. 3 Branch has a payment that stands out alarmingly, to say the very least.

On page 18 of that report, it shows an amount described as “Key Management Personnel Compensation”. The only recipient listed is Katherine Jackson — and it is for $522,570. That’s over half a million dollars taken from some of the nation’s lowest paid workers.



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Reply #38 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
If crikey are condemning Peter Wicks than
WOW.




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Now even Crikey’s Andrew Crook who has been condemning Thomson over nothing is condemning Peter Wicks over this story while not looking back on the others that connect to this story which all prove the MSM have been spectacularly lazy and that they don’t even check their own archives.

The only thing he is right about is that the $500,000 was reported some weeks ago, but Kathy denied it so that was OK.
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Reply #39 - May 30th, 2012 at 2:57pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:45pm:
angeleyes wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:39pm:
The first question that should be asked is why a senior union official, who was being paid over a quarter of a million dollars per annum, plus benefits, was doing such a mundane job as being a courier?




What does her remuneration have to do with her taking paperwork to FWA?

Here is something you missed.


    CHRIS UHLMANN: Doesn’t that seem a little excessive… [discussing Kathy Jackson’s pay rise to $270,000]

    KATHY JACKSON: Yes, it does.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: … for someone who represents some of the poorest workers in Australia?

    KATHY JACKSON: I agree with you but let’s look at the history of this. As I said previously this was rammed through the council, by Michael Williamson and his people. We objected to it. The Victorians ran a case against it to the council, it was in camera.

    I wasn’t at the meeting. We were asked to leave. The New South Wales councillors rammed this proposal through.

    At mediation last week in the courts, as part of that mediation, process, I put my hand up and said that I should get at least $100,000 salary cut, and that was rejected.


Make sure you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth smithy.



And here's something YOU missed my dear,which is actually posted above,

According to these documents, Kathy Jackson claimed, and was paid, $63,000 on 30 June 2010. The payment was called an “honorarium” and was, according to the HSU – Victorian Branch No. 3 minutes, simply performing her duties as the Branch Secretary and were in addition to her $270,000 annual salary.
If somebody really wanted to reduce their wage by $100,000 then, to me, it would seem logical not to claim an extra $63,000 when it was not necessary she do so.


Even more seriously, the 2010 Auditors by Agostinelli and Perlen, Chartered Accountants, into the HSU – Vic No. 3 Branch has a payment that stands out alarmingly, to say the very least.

On page 18 of that report, it shows an amount described as “Key Management Personnel Compensation”. The only recipient listed is Katherine Jackson — and it is for $522,570. That’s over half a million dollars taken from some of the nation’s lowest paid workers.






For gods sake smithy. Don't you think FWA are fully aware of that report.
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Reply #40 - May 30th, 2012 at 3:25pm
 
angeleyes wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:57pm:
For gods sake smithy. Don't you think FWA are fully aware of that report.



I'm sure they are but you wished to paint Jackson as some sort of crusading clean skin bemoaning her remuneration package & begging for it to be reduced, when as we see from an audit independent of FWA on the HSU she is not.

Frankly in my personal opinion on the subject all involved should be thrown in prison & forced to pay the money back whether it bankrupts them or not.
This is a Union turf war/Power Struggle, we would know nothing of it if not for a hung parliament, more to the point we wouldn't care.
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Reply #41 - May 30th, 2012 at 3:46pm
 
angeleyes wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:56pm:
If crikey are condemning Peter Wicks than
WOW.




MarilynS
30 May, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Now even Crikey’s Andrew Crook who has been condemning Thomson over nothing is condemning Peter Wicks over this story while not looking back on the others that connect to this story which all prove the MSM have been spectacularly lazy and that they don’t even check their own archives.

The only thing he is right about is that the $500,000 was reported some weeks ago,
but Kathy denied it so that was OK
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Pretty sure by the last sentence this is actually sarcasm Cheesy Wink
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Reply #42 - May 30th, 2012 at 4:03pm
 
smith darling...yes I am outraged   outraged that THOMO is sitting parliament...


STILL



last i heard smithy jackson didnt and has never run for
parliament



you and your laughingly called independent!!!.. may like to check that out I could be wrong.,


otherwise you see what happens with the unions.. as far as I am concerned this would be the TIP OF THE ICEBERG...

if he used hookers or bath houses...that would be up to the union members to sort out..

not ME




but the devil is in parliament..he is sitting in a seat of
trust



does anyone from the left understand that word
TRUST
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why I dont  believe you do?



if Jackson could end up doing more jail time than THOMO...[hummmmm] then she is a lot dumber than she looks..


if there is a shred of evidence against her partner.. [so far none has come forward]..

then she most certainly is dumber than she looks..


Jackson took over from THOMO....of course she would be on a fine wicket..he took over from Williamson...all she hasnt done as far as yoiur accusation go is abuse her credit card.. of which I am sure she has one.

yes it is extraordinary that they pay such huge sums in wages... lets have a look at the ACTU shall we????

basically its none of our business.....thats for the people that pay them money.[members].. I dont..

how ever I do contribute to THOMO having a nice lifestyle..

this has all come about since he was elected to
PARLIAMENT


he has claimed a lot of things under the protection of parliament..


all I say is.. when someone has all this information regarding someone who hasnt been charged with anything..[Jackson]


then they must have information regarding the innocence of THOMO


as a law abiding citizen I demand to see it..

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Reply #43 - May 30th, 2012 at 4:04pm
 
The biggest thing to come out of all of this is will Fairwork recover from all the scandel?

It has been seriously compromised through this, and I think wont it will have any faith from those who will be involved with it.
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Reply #44 - May 30th, 2012 at 4:10pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 3:25pm:
angeleyes wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 2:57pm:
For gods sake smithy. Don't you think FWA are fully aware of that report.



I'm sure they are but you wished to paint Jackson as some sort of crusading clean skin bemoaning her remuneration package & begging for it to be reduced, when as we see from an audit independent of FWA on the HSU she is not.

Frankly in my personal opinion on the subject all involved should be thrown in prison & forced to pay the money back whether it bankrupts them or not.
This is a Union turf war/Power Struggle, we would know nothing of it if not for a hung parliament, more to the point we wouldn't care.




there you go back peddling again... of course you would like to see them all in prison thats why you are on here trying to blacken Jackson..

thats a good little lefty..

this whole thing is about THOMO and his hanging on come hell or highwater..

for all the drama about him cracking up he is still there isnt he?????


how about we get rid of the THOMO saga and then deal with the Jackson saga if there is one?..

I havent seen much of the crusading Jackson society.. but she is the whistleblower

I just hate the left because it never fails they crucify the messenger every time

if this woman has done more than receive anything other than what she is allowed..

dont you think one of these 9 investigation will find that out????????
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