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Reply #15 - May 29^th, 2012 at 9:27am

Gist wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:19am:

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

and a bit of a fair go to boot.. we have given this lot 5 years to get it right!!!!!!!!!!!

And get it right they did. The country is going gang busters where most of the rest of the world is flat on its back, money is being invested in infrastructure again, kids are being educated in decent facilities, money is beginning to be diverted away from old technologies to research the new ones we'll need in future and now we're even beginning to address disabilities.

NONE of which happened in the interminable Howard years. All that happened in the Howard years was that our soldiers got sent off to pointless, stupid wars and money was diverted from the poor to the rich. That's it. Nothing else happened.

So you can stick that "fair go" boot where the sun doesn't shine as far as I'm concerned cods. I won't be voting for Abbott.

all thanks to mining and CHINA..dont forget..

you see the left said for years Howard road on the tails of the mining sector...[he didnt try to screw it either]. however since 2007 the mining boom has gone from strength to strength...although we never hear from the lkeft about that do we...

the fact that we get such a good rating from IMF is because of our mining contracts..woo woo..

yeah they also paid off a STUPID HELLISH DEBT>.. HAVE YOU HAD A GOOD LOOK AT THE DEBT THIS LOT HAVE BUILT...nah of course not.. the labs dont care about debt its only their children that get stuck with paying that off..

so all wars are pointless wonder what would have happened if YOU had been in power in 1940????..

hey well at least we would be speaking Japanese.. got to look of the bright side.

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Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:00am

Rubbish. How many people are unemployed in Australia? How many people are unemployed in Greece, or Ireland or vast swathes of Europe? Now how many people do you think mining employs in this country?

Yes, mining helped get us through the GFC. But it wasn't the only factor that got us through and it would have been useless on its own if it weren't for the quick action by the government of the day to instill confidence in the market. That kept the retail and construction sectors afloat and the retail sector alone employs vastly more people than the mining sector does. The flow-on effects from those actions by the government were enormous. That's what got us through the GFC.

And in any case, mining has done ZERO for infrastructure investment. It's done ZERO for improving education facilities. It's done ZERO for diverting money towards research into new technologies.

Debt? Pah! It's peanuts compared to our income. Debt has never been so low. That's something that you righties just don't have the brains to understand - the best way out of debt is NOT to scrimp and save every last penny while starving yourself on beans and rice. The best way out of debt is to INCREASE your income. Which is what Australia is doing.

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Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:03am

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 11:55pm:

I honestly no longer care.

So long as Abbott never gets anywhere near the lodge, I simply don't care WHAT happens any more.

And this is the attitude that got us into trouble in the first place

You have a person hatred for a person therefore you cannot see the trees from the forest

Do you agree with Abbots stand on issues like skills migration, privatization, social security for Australian born citizens, job security for Australian born citizens ect ect.

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Reply #19 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:04am

Gist wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Rubbish. How many people are unemployed in Australia? How many people are unemployed in Greece, or Ireland or vast swathes of Europe? Now how many people do you think mining employs in this country?

Yes, mining helped get us through the GFC. But it wasn't the only factor that got us through and it would have been useless on its own if it weren't for the quick action by the government of the day to instill confidence in the market. That kept the retail and construction sectors afloat and the retail sector alone employs vastly more people than the mining sector does. The flow-on effects from those actions by the government were enormous. That's what got us through the GFC.

And in any case, mining has done ZERO for infrastructure investment. It's done ZERO for improving education facilities. It's done ZERO for diverting money towards research into new technologies.

Debt? Pah! It's peanuts compared to our income. Debt has never been so low. That's something that you righties just don't have the brains to understand - the best way out of debt is NOT to scrimp and save every last penny while starving yourself on beans and rice. The best way out of debt is to INCREASE your income. Which is what Australia is doing.

Why?

Australia was never caught with the bad loans therefore they were only hit with a downturn rather than write-offs

As for the other countries - they problems are systemic for decades now. The GFC just hastened it's impact.

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Reply #20 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:08am

Gist wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

Rubbish. How many people are unemployed in Australia? How many people are unemployed in Greece, or Ireland or vast swathes of Europe? Now how many people do you think mining employs in this country?

Yes, mining helped get us through the GFC. But it wasn't the only factor that got us through and it would have been useless on its own if it weren't for the quick action by the government of the day to instill confidence in the market. That kept the retail and construction sectors afloat and the retail sector alone employs vastly more people than the mining sector does. The flow-on effects from those actions by the government were enormous. That's what got us through the GFC.

And in any case, mining has done ZERO for infrastructure investment. It's done ZERO for improving education facilities. It's done ZERO for diverting money towards research into new technologies.

Debt? Pah! It's peanuts compared to our income. Debt has never been so low. That's something that you righties just don't have the brains to understand - the best way out of debt is NOT to scrimp and save every last penny while starving yourself on beans and rice. The best way out of debt is to INCREASE your income. Which is what Australia is doing.

you do realize this is all on the back of our credit card dont you???.. yes they borrowed all that money,

and they are still borrowing as they are still and have been all along

stimulating business

to try and keep it alive...

they dont tell us how much it is costing us to do this..

look mate we know you dont care about debt.. we know that...

but even the likes of you have got to be over the scam of CARBON TAX AND GW...its a scam always has been..

but now they have a virtual horn of plenty they can tap into and increase as they see fit..

oh thats right the planet needs saving I keep forgetting.up goes the price on CARBON...

untill they kill the golden goose that is.

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Reply #21 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:09am

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 11:55pm:

I honestly no longer care.

So long as Abbott never gets anywhere near the lodge, I simply don't care WHAT happens any more.

And this is the attitude that got us into trouble in the first place

You have a person hatred for a person therefore you cannot see the trees from the forest

Do you agree with Abbots stand on issues like skills migration, privatization, social security for Australian born citizens, job security for Australian born citizens ect ect.

Before we can even implement a LIB policy on these issues - we have to fix the crap that Labor created.

As for whether I agree with the policies - the LIBs got it right before 2007. Abbott was part of that government.

You ask about these issues without having an analysis of what Labor is doing in this area.

Labor's Job Security for Aust born workers - Cheesy

- Gina

Labor's Social Security for Aust born citizens - Cheesy

- carbon tax

Labor's skilled migration - Grin

- Labor is implementing similar LIB policies that it scrapped in 2007

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Reply #22 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:38am

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 11:55pm:

I honestly no longer care.

So long as Abbott never gets anywhere near the lodge, I simply don't care WHAT happens any more.

And this is the attitude that got us into trouble in the first place

You have a person hatred for a person therefore you cannot see the trees from the forest

Do you agree with Abbots stand on issues like skills migration, privatization, social security for Australian born citizens, job security for Australian born citizens ect ect.

Before we can even implement a LIB policy on these issues - we have to fix the crap that Labor created.

As for whether I agree with the policies - the LIBs got it right before 2007. Abbott was part of that government.

You ask about these issues without having an analysis of what Labor is doing in this area.

Labor's Job Security for Aust born workers - Cheesy

- Gina

Labor's Social Security for Aust born citizens - Cheesy

- carbon tax

Labor's skilled migration - Grin

- Labor is implementing similar LIB policies that it scrapped in 2007

So what you are saying is this.

1. You reject the verdict of the Australian people in 2007.
2. The Lieberals have learned nothing
3. The lieberals do not respect the ownership of the Australian people of their own country.
4. The Lieberals will continue the Neo Colonial Imperial recolonization of Australia.
5. You believe in workchoices
6. You will support scrapping social security for Australians.
7. You will continue to support the sackings of Australian workers.
8. You will continue to support cheap migrant labor. Lips Sealed

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Reply #23 - May 29^th, 2012 at 10:51am

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 11:55pm:

I honestly no longer care.

So long as Abbott never gets anywhere near the lodge, I simply don't care WHAT happens any more.

And this is the attitude that got us into trouble in the first place

You have a person hatred for a person therefore you cannot see the trees from the forest

Do you agree with Abbots stand on issues like skills migration, privatization, social security for Australian born citizens, job security for Australian born citizens ect ect.

Before we can even implement a LIB policy on these issues - we have to fix the crap that Labor created.

As for whether I agree with the policies - the LIBs got it right before 2007. Abbott was part of that government.

You ask about these issues without having an analysis of what Labor is doing in this area.

Labor's Job Security for Aust born workers - Cheesy

- Gina

Labor's Social Security for Aust born citizens - Cheesy

- carbon tax

Labor's skilled migration - Grin

- Labor is implementing similar LIB policies that it scrapped in 2007

So what you are saying is this.

1. You reject the verdict of the Australian people in 2007. What I am saying is the decision of the people in 2007 took us to where we are now. The smart ones will analysise the election campaign and see it for what it was - a populous vote gathering exercise. Happy to discussed it because I still have the policies.

2. The Lieberals have learned nothing
3. The lieberals do not respect the ownership of the Australian people of their own country - I am sure you have stats to back this up or is it simply your uneducated opinion?

4. The Lieberals will continue the Neo Colonial Imperial recolonization of Australia. - do you even understand the word or understand how the LIBs came about? If you did then this point is moot.

5. You believe in workchoices - how has it changed?

6. You will support scrapping social security for Australians. Have you got facts and/or policy statements on this? who created social security in the first place?

7. You will continue to support the sackings of Australian workers. have you got facts to back this up or is it just another baseless accusation that you hope will stick if you repeat it long enough?

8. You will continue to support cheap migrant labor. have you got facts to back this up or is it just another baseless accusation that you hope will stick if you repeat it long enough?
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Reply #24 - May 29^th, 2012 at 11:11am

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Kat wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 11:55pm:

I honestly no longer care.

So long as Abbott never gets anywhere near the lodge, I simply don't care WHAT happens any more.

And this is the attitude that got us into trouble in the first place

You have a person hatred for a person therefore you cannot see the trees from the forest

Do you agree with Abbots stand on issues like skills migration, privatization, social security for Australian born citizens, job security for Australian born citizens ect ect.

Before we can even implement a LIB policy on these issues - we have to fix the crap that Labor created.

As for whether I agree with the policies - the LIBs got it right before 2007. Abbott was part of that government.

You ask about these issues without having an analysis of what Labor is doing in this area.

Labor's Job Security for Aust born workers - Cheesy

- Gina

Labor's Social Security for Aust born citizens - Cheesy

- carbon tax

Labor's skilled migration - Grin

- Labor is implementing similar LIB policies that it scrapped in 2007

So what you are saying is this.

1. You reject the verdict of the Australian people in 2007. What I am saying is the decision of the people in 2007 took us to where we are now. The smart ones will analysise the election campaign and see it for what it was - a populous vote gathering exercise. Happy to discussed it because I still have the policies.

As I said, you reject the verdict of the Australian people in 2007 against the Neo Liberalism of the Howard Government which has no ideological links to Menzies.

2. The Lieberals have learned nothing
3. The lieberals do not respect the ownership of the Australian people of their own country - I am sure you have stats to back this up or is it simply your uneducated opinion?

The Lieberals neo-liberal philosophical base is all I need.

4. The Lieberals will continue the Neo Colonial Imperial recolonization of Australia. - do you even understand the word or understand how the LIBs came about? If you did then this point is moot.

I do and Menzies was not a radical command socialist like Howard or Abbott.

5. You believe in workchoices - how has it changed?

6. You will support scrapping social security for Australians. Have you got facts and/or policy statements on this? who created social security in the first place?

Modern Lieberals have no ideological connection with traditional liberalism or conservatism.

7. You will continue to support the sackings of Australian workers. have you got facts to back this up or is it just another baseless accusation that you hope will stick if you repeat it long enough?

Ever heard of reading a newspaper?

8. You will continue to support cheap migrant labor. have you got facts to back this up or is it just another baseless accusation that you hope will stick if you repeat it long enough?
[b][color=#333333]The record of the Howard Government and the comments of Hockey and Abbott speak for themselves.
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: A Party in shambles Reply #25 - May 29^th, 2012 at 11:50am So you've got no idea at all CW
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: A Party in shambles Reply #26 - May 29^th, 2012 at 1:41pm Maqqa wrote on May 29^th, 2012 at 11:50am: So you've got no idea at all CW I know Abbott is a lying Pommy Krunt who denies the existence and sovereignty of the Australian people and that Peter Reith and John Howard are worthless blood sucking maggots.
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