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May 27th, 2012 at 8:38am
 
Seems more soldiers committed suicide than got killed by the enemy

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/suic-j06.shtml

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Suicide claims more US military lives than Afghan war
By James Cogan
6 January 2010

American military personnel are continuing to take their own lives in unprecedented numbers, as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq drag on. By late November, at least 334 members of the armed forces had committed suicide in 2009, more than the 319 who were killed in Afghanistan or the 150 who died in Iraq. While a final figure is not available, the toll of military suicides last year was the worst since records began to be kept in 1980.



The Army, National Guard and Army Reserve lost at least 211 personnel to suicide. More than half of those who took their lives had served in either Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army suicide rate of 20.2 per 100,000 personnel is higher than that registered among males aged 19 to 29, the gender age bracket with the highest rate among the general population. Before 2001, the Army rarely suffered 10 suicides per 100,000 soldiers.



The Navy lost at least 47 active duty personnel in 2009, the Air Force 34 and the Marine Corp, which has been flung into some of the bloodiest fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, 42. The Marine suicide rate has soared since 2001 from 12 to at least 19.5 per 100,000.



For every death, at least five members of the armed forces were hospitalised for attempting to take their life. According to the Navy Times, 2 percent of Army; 2.3 percent of Marines and 3 percent of Navy respondents to the military’s own survey of 28,536 members from all branches reported they had attempted suicide at some point. The “Defense Survey of Health-Related Behaviors” also found “dangerous levels” of alcohol abuse and the illicit use of drugs such as pain killers by 12 percent of personnel.



The trigger for a suicide attempt varied from case to case: relationship breakdowns, financial problems, substance abuse, tensions with other members of their unit, a traumatic event. What is clear, however, is that military service has seriously impacted on the physical and mental health of the victims.



The suicide figures for serving personnel are only one indication. The most alarming statistics are those on mental illness related to the hundreds of thousands of veterans of the two wars who have left the military and sought to reintegrate into civilian life.



While there is no exact figure, studies estimate that as many as 20 to 30 percent of veterans suffer some degree of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), hindering their ability to hold down jobs, maintain relationships, overcome substance abuse and, in some cases, maintain their will to live. The worsening economic conditions facing working people in the US are aggravating the difficulties.



A survey last year found that at least 15 percent of former soldiers in the 20 to 24 age bracket were unemployed. An article by the Florida Today site on January 3 reported that 450 of the 800 homeless in Brevard County were Iraq or Afghanistan veterans. Shelters in California are reporting twice as many requests for assistance from new veterans compared with 2007. At the current rate, they will eventually outnumber the more than 100,000 homeless Vietnam vets.



A study of veterans with PTSD published last August by the Journal of Traumatic Stress found that 47 percent had had suicidal thoughts before seeking treatment and 3 percent had attempted to kill themselves. The US Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) has been compelled to substantially upgrade its services. Since its 24-hour, seven-days a week suicide hotline was belatedly established in July 2007, it has counselled over 185,000 veterans or their families and claims to have prevented at least 5,000 suicides. It now has 400 counselors dedicated to suicide prevention though even the Pentagon admits far more are needed.



People who served in either Iraq or Afghanistan make up a growing proportion of the 6,400 veterans that VA estimates take their own lives each year. A 2007 CBS study put the rate among male veterans aged 20 to 24 at four times the national average—more than 40 per 100,000 per year.



The suicide estimates do not include the hundreds of young veterans who die each year in auto accidents, many of which are linked with excessive speed or driving under the influence and kill or injure others as well. In 2008, veterans who served in Iraq or Afghanistan were 75 percent more likely to die in an auto accident than non-veterans and 148 percent more likely to die in a motorcycle crash. Suicide statistics also do not count deaths that are classified as accidental drug-related overdoses.



American society will continue to pay for the harm caused by the Iraq and Afghan wars for decades to come. There is a growing medical consensus that a significant factor in PTSD is actual physical damage to the brain. Developments in vehicle and body armour, combined with advances in medical treatment, have enabled thousands of soldiers to survive bomb blasts that might have taken their lives in earlier conflicts. They survive with trauma to their brain however.



The Defense Centers of Excellence for Psychological Health and Traumatic Brain Injury estimated in early 2009 that between 45,000 to 90,000 veterans of the two wars had been left with “severe and lasting symptoms” of brain injury. Overall, the Defense Department estimates that as many as 20 percent of veterans had suffered some degree of brain injury due to bomb blasts while in Iraq or Afghanistan—a staggering 360,000 men and women.


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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2012 at 8:43am
 
Suicide claims more US military lives than Afghan war
By James Cogan
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Wow, only two years, four months, and three weeks for you to catch up to today.
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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:08am
 
It would certainly be a toxic mix, young and confused, exposed to extreme bullying and bastardry, fatalistic focus upon the ugliest side of humanity, war, and possible exposure to atrocities that you may struggle to reconcile.

I cannot say the outcome is a shock.
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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:09am
 
angeleyes wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 8:43am:
Suicide claims more US military lives than Afghan war
By James Cogan
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Wow, only two years, four months, and three weeks for you to catch up to today.


Yeah 2010. And now the war has been on for another 2 years!

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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:10am
 
mozzaok wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:08am:
It would certainly be a toxic mix, young and confused, exposed to extreme bullying and bastardry, fatalistic focus upon the ugliest side of humanity, war, and possible exposure to atrocities that you may struggle to reconcile.

I cannot say the outcome is a shock.


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Reply #5 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:22am
 
angeleyes wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 8:43am:
Suicide claims more US military lives than Afghan war
By James Cogan
6 January 2010

Wow, only two years, four months, and three weeks for you to catch up to today.

Wow longy, only 15000 posts and you still cannot answer the main part of threads
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Reply #6 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:24am
 
That's what happens when the military brainwashing doesn't quite overtake the normal thought process. They can't live with the reality of what they've seen or done.

All the ex defence force people I know and have known have terrible anger or alcohol and drug related issues. Even the ones who were involved in the administrative side of it.
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Georgia opens a prison for veterans

Authorities in Muscogee County, Georgia say they’ve found a great way to let veterans of US wars share their experience with one another. It’ll just happen behind steel bars and under lock and key.

Officials from the Muscogee County Sheriff’s Office recently held a press conference to discuss once of the department’s newest endeavors and they believe that it is the first of its kind in the country. Tucked in a corner of the county jail in rural Georgia is a dormitory specifically reserved to house inmates that have fought for America.

"There ought to be a place in our city that provides a facility where veterans can stay for a period of time while being treated, physically and mentally," Ret. Col. Roy Plummer said, reports the local Ledger-Enquirer. "Soldiers will find a way to link together

Never mind the Veterans Affairs bureaus and commonplace community centers that are constructed across the country. Authorities in Georgia have noticed an alarming number of US vets being convicted of crimes after returning home and are hoping that the best way to handle the influx of inmates is by grouping them together.

"They'll find a way to revisit some of their experiences and share it,” added Plummer.

Unfortunately, those experiences are often traumatic ones — so traumatic, in fact, that an alarming number of veterans are developing mental disorders after returning to the States and, without proper treatment, ending up on the streets. Lacking adequate help, American war vets are often left to live on the streets, where entering a life of crime can be just one wrong turn away.

“They are coming home to a disproportionate rate of homelessness, of foreclosures and evictions. In 2010 a whopping 75,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans in the United States were homeless; were sleeping on the streets,” Iraq war veteran Michael Prysner tells RT.

“When you come home, you’re foreclosed on, your job is gone, and then they want you to go to shelters. And shelters pretty much housing criminals, drug addicts, and a lot of us can’t tolerate that lifestyle,” adds homeless US army veteran Joe Mangione.

For those that can get by with soldiers-turned-junkies, however, the homeless shelter now has some competition with the Muscogee County jail. County Sheriff John Darr says that, for now, the dorm can only accommodate 16 veterans, but if a trend of vets-turned-convicts continues, other states might soon follow suit.

Raw Story reports that there are around 140,000 veterans detained at US federal and state prisons in 2004. Outside of the cell and on the streets, the latest numbers out of the White House estimate that US veterans on the street make up a chunk of around 900,000 of the country’s homeless.

http://rt.com/usa/news/georgia-county-us-way-743/
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Reply #7 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:30am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:24am:
That's what happens when the military brainwashing doesn't quite overtake the normal thought process. They can't live with the reality of what they've seen or done.

All the ex defence force people I know and have known have terrible anger or alcohol and drug related issues. Even the ones who were involved in the administrative side of it.
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Georgia opens a prison for veterans

Authorities in Muscogee County, Georgia say they’ve found a great way to let veterans of US wars share their experience with one another. It’ll just happen behind steel bars and under lock and key.

Officials from the Muscogee County Sheriff’s Office recently held a press conference to discuss once of the department’s newest endeavors and they believe that it is the first of its kind in the country. Tucked in a corner of the county jail in rural Georgia is a dormitory specifically reserved to house inmates that have fought for America.

"There ought to be a place in our city that provides a facility where veterans can stay for a period of time while being treated, physically and mentally," Ret. Col. Roy Plummer said, reports the local Ledger-Enquirer. "Soldiers will find a way to link together

Never mind the Veterans Affairs bureaus and commonplace community centers that are constructed across the country. Authorities in Georgia have noticed an alarming number of US vets being convicted of crimes after returning home and are hoping that the best way to handle the influx of inmates is by grouping them together.

"They'll find a way to revisit some of their experiences and share it,” added Plummer.

Unfortunately, those experiences are often traumatic ones — so traumatic, in fact, that an alarming number of veterans are developing mental disorders after returning to the States and, without proper treatment, ending up on the streets. Lacking adequate help, American war vets are often left to live on the streets, where entering a life of crime can be just one wrong turn away.

“They are coming home to a disproportionate rate of homelessness, of foreclosures and evictions. In 2010 a whopping 75,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans in the United States were homeless; were sleeping on the streets,” Iraq war veteran Michael Prysner tells RT.

“When you come home, you’re foreclosed on, your job is gone, and then they want you to go to shelters. And shelters pretty much housing criminals, drug addicts, and a lot of us can’t tolerate that lifestyle,” adds homeless US army veteran Joe Mangione.

For those that can get by with soldiers-turned-junkies, however, the homeless shelter now has some competition with the Muscogee County jail. County Sheriff John Darr says that, for now, the dorm can only accommodate 16 veterans, but if a trend of vets-turned-convicts continues, other states might soon follow suit.

Raw Story reports that there are around 140,000 veterans detained at US federal and state prisons in 2004. Outside of the cell and on the streets, the latest numbers out of the White House estimate that US veterans on the street make up a chunk of around 900,000 of the country’s homeless.

http://rt.com/usa/news/georgia-county-us-way-743/


Yeah pansi. Australian military has a high suicide rate too actually.

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SOB<<Yeah pansi. Australian military has a high suicide rate too actually.>>
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They're involved in the same useless wars as America. Some people can't live with the physical, sexual and mental abuse they suffer whilst in the defence force.

I'm thinking a large percent might have mental health issues before they join too.

Ask yourself, who would voluntarily join unless they were desperate for work or wanted to be human killing machines.
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Reply #9 - May 27th, 2012 at 9:48am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:39am:
SOB<<Yeah pansi. Australian military has a high suicide rate too actually.>>
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They're involved in the same useless wars as America. Some people can't live with the physical, sexual and mental abuse they suffer whilst in the defence force.

I'm thinking a large percent might have mental health issues before they join too.

Ask yourself, who would voluntarily join unless they were desperate for work or wanted to be human killing machines.


Well. Before Iraq invasion I know quite a few ppl in peacetime that joined various parts of the military for the free education. To learn a profession or trade and be paid while learning. About a year before the Iraq invasion most of the ppl I knew that were there for the education left the military suddenly. Telling imo.

On the other hand the sort of ppl that join up during an invasion - especially someone elses war is imo prolly psychotic.

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Screw our soldiers they clearly deserve to die
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Reply #11 - May 27th, 2012 at 10:00am
 
Forces death toll reaches 3000 in Afghanistan war


A sombre milestone has been reached in the Afghanistan war after an American sailor became the 3000th member of the Nato coalition to lose his life.


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The United States Defence Department announced that a serviceman had died from "complications associated with a medical condition," becoming the 3,000th casualty according to a tally compiled by the broadcaster CNN.

The death comes as Nato armies hastened preparations for a pullout after more than a decade of fighting.

Most of those who have lost their lives during the more than 10 years of Operation Enduring Freedom have been American – 1,974 to date. British troops have suffered the second highest level of deaths among coalition of 28 nations, with 414 deaths...

...According to the US Navy website, Officer Wilson was an intelligence specialist who was named Sailor of the Quarter after successfully leading a maritime operations centre last year...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9291782/Forces-death-...
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Reply #12 - May 27th, 2012 at 10:02am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:50am:
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you know that wasnt what I meant PP. What kind of person joins up though to fight someone elses war? To invade another country?

If there was a war (and there has been) involving us and in which we needed to defend ourselves its a different thing altogether.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 10:02am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:50am:
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you know that wasnt what I meant PP. What kind of person joins up though to fight someone elses war? To invade another country?

If there was a war (and there has been) involving us and in which we needed to defend ourselves its a different thing altogether.

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I wasnt directing it at you mr cat man.
Its a social thing, they get pushed into it.
But you are right, I would be happy to defend Australia but not to fight a corporate war in Africa for example which we will be seeing soon enough.
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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:50am:
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I can't bring myself to say that, although I can see where you're coming from.

I live in a regional area with extremely high youth unemployment. I know quite a few young people who joined for no other reason than to escape the dole queue. Unfortunately one committed suicide due to bullying, so hopefully if he wasn't to die in vain, others will realise that it's not the answer.

Having said that, there are some bloody good hearted soldiers over in Afghanistan, like the American who was able to get 1500 soccer balls sent over for the kids to play with.
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