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Reply #135 - May 26th, 2012 at 4:28pm
 
MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:42pm:
muso wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:34pm:
mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:22pm:
glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:19pm:
Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he?


True - but both religions are basically comprised of people predominantly being Arab in ancestry.


That's  incorrect. Most Muslims are not Arabs and very few  jews are Arabs. Arabs form a minority of the Muslim population.


A question I find interesting is which people have closer blood links to the people who inhabited Israel 2000 years ago. The Palestinians or the Jewish immigrants?


Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis

'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy.


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Reply #136 - May 26th, 2012 at 5:22pm
 
What is the ethnic mix in Modern Israel?



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Reply #137 - May 26th, 2012 at 5:50pm
 
Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism.
In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis.

Israel has several race groups not just Jews.
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Reply #138 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:00pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism.
In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis.

Israel has several race groups not just Jews.


I thought Jews belonged to many different races.

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Reply #139 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:11pm
 
MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism.
In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis.

Israel has several race groups not just Jews.


I thought Jews belonged to many different races.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2ODPLa_IWKg/S28VpGIYwZI/AAAAAAAAANw/MxFEVTeAvRc/s400/e...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4vH7pWQ5sWE/0.jpg


Yes.
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Reply #140 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:17pm
 
And do these Jews have as much right to settle in Israel as any other Jew.

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Reply #141 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:20pm
 
This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years.
There are different opinions about that.
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Reply #142 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:21pm
 
So jews are not a race. Its a religion. Jewish. Religious. Nasty xtian OT religious.

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Reply #143 - May 26th, 2012 at 6:59pm
 
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And do these Jews have as much right to settle in Israel as any other Jew.


Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years.
There are different opinions about that.


Most of the information available about non-Jewish residents in Israel implies that they are second class citizens and only useful as hired help for lowly jobs or they are slaves, in particular the Ethiopians. Slavery is apparently flourishing in Israel.

Do you know the reason why these people are considered inferior to their Jewish peers?
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Reply #144 - May 26th, 2012 at 8:14pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years.
There are different opinions about that.


What is your opinion?
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Reply #145 - May 26th, 2012 at 8:43pm
 
MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 8:14pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 6:20pm:
This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years.
There are different opinions about that.


What is your opinion?


I think we can have different types of Jewish.
Secular European ancestry like me, orthodox and non European.
Different levels of right of return though so Israel doesn't have problems.

I do not agree they should be told to leave.
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Reply #146 - May 26th, 2012 at 8:59pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:23am:
Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:58pm:
To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting.


I would have thought calling someone a "Jew boy," implied that they were "a Jew who is a boy," that the guy is a little young and makes some rash statements from time to time, which doesn't endear him to those on this forum.

My impression, however, based on his response to one of my posts, is that this guy isn't a kid. I do think, though, that the idiosyncrasies of Israeli society (class warfare?) has influenced much of his world view and leads to him making comments that would be "politically incorrect" in our society.

MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:37am:
We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism.


Exactly. The problem isn't Judaism. It's Zionism. I've been reading things about Judaism in the last two or three years and Judaism as a religion has far better things to offer than Zionism. Zionism is a recent phenomenon. Judaism has been around far longer than that.

Some Jews are absolutely against Zionism, like followers of the Satmar Rebbe. The Satmar's are an Ashkenazi Haredi group. Haredis are very traditional and conservative Jews. One of the claims of Jewish anti-Zionists is that the Zionists are mainly secular and atheist Jews with very little association with their religion, and that Zionism had "nothing" to do with Judaism. Some anti-Zionists sites even go so far as to claim that "the Zionists funded the Holocaust."

There was a lot more opposition to Zionism in the Jewish collective in the early 20th century, much more than today. The 1st Jewish governor general of Australia was one of those people who opposed Zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Isaacs

....... and then there's Neturei Karta .......... Sad

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:40pm:
What is "racial vilification"? And show me the law. And show me examples of where anyone broke said law.

If not then YOU are committing slander.


The one example I remember is Catch The Fire Ministries. A Christian preacher likened Muslims to devils and demons and was sued. Anyone remember that?

Grey wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 4:28pm:
Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis

'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy.


There's another group: the Mizrahi.

http://www.meforum.org/707/post-zionism-and-the-sephardi-question
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Reply #147 - May 26th, 2012 at 9:53pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 5:50pm:
Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism.
In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis.

Israel has several race groups not just Jews.


Do you have Pakistani Israelis?
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Reply #148 - May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm
 
Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege.

No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity.

Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next.






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Reply #149 - May 26th, 2012 at 10:46pm
 
Evidence, thanks. We'd like to see some statistics and reliable quantitative data.
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