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Reply #210 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:27am
 
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Mixed emotions ... more than 50% of voters feel that the opposition's pursuit of Craig Thomson was reasonable or did not go far enough. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
MORE than 50 per cent of voters believe the opposition's pursuit of Craig Thomson was either reasonable or did not go far enough, while fewer than one-third feel the Coalition has overstepped the mark.

The findings are contained in the latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll, which sampled 1400 voters from Thursday to Saturday last week.

The past fortnight of Parliament has been dominated by Mr Thomson, now an independent MP after being exiled from Labor over allegations he misused almost $500,000 in members' funds while he was national secretary of the Health Services Union.

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Already the subject of two police investigations, a now-completed inquiry by Fair Work Australia, pending Federal Court action and a hearing by Parliament's privileges committee, Mr Thomson pleaded recently for an end to his pursuit by the Coalition and the media. He questioned whether the intention was to drive him to the brink.

This fuelled concerns about Mr Thomson's wellbeing and sparked a greater debate about the decline in civility in politics.

The poll found that while there was significant concern about the treatment of Mr Thomson, it did not reflect the majority view.

Of those polled, 31 per cent thought the opposition had gone too far, 37 per cent believed its pursuit of the MP had been ''reasonable'' while 16 per cent said it had ''not gone far enough''.

The various views reflect political allegiances. Greens and Labor voters - 48 per cent apiece - believed the attacks had gone too far while only 16 per cent of Coalition voters were of this view.

Conversely, 29 per cent of Labor voters and 27 per cent of Greens voters believed the pursuit had been reasonable, compared with 48 per cent of Coalition voters.

And only 7 per cent of Labor voters and 9 per cent of Greens voters said it had not gone far enough, compared with 24 per cent of Coalition voters.

The tenacity of the opposition attacks is believed to have contributed to a slump in the approval rating for Tony Abbott, in Newspoll and today's Fairfax poll.

Meanwhile, Mr Thomson's supporters in the union's internal battle are keen to turn the spotlight on the supposed whistleblower, Kathy Jackson.

In February, the Herald reported an email alleging Ms Jackson had laundered money through a colleague's bank account, which Ms Jackson emphatically denied.

Six weeks later, expenditure by Ms Jackson was referred to Victoria Police by the union's acting general secretary, Peter Mylan.

Documentation on those transactions have been leaked in recent days but the police had declined to investigate, telling Ms Jackson there had ''not been a complaint of criminal behaviour''.

The transactions related to the HSU's Victoria Three branch, which Ms Jackson headed before it merged with other branches to form the powerful HSU East branch.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/majority-has-no-sympathy-for-thomson-20120603-1zq53.html#ixzz1wwqhqMNC



the article doesnt say what the question was.. but to my tiny brain it went something like this..

do you think the opposition attack on THOMO has gone too Far.. boom boom.

pushed to the bring my aunt fanny!


lets have a good look at those who are trying to turn this into Jackson evil THOMO good..

she doesnt look clueless.. which would be the only reason she would bring this to the attention of FWA if she herself was guilty of the same corruption..

its a shame she isnt entitled to her day in parliament as well.

seeing as how we know who is behind this amazing kill the messenger slander.
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Reply #211 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:00am
 
The whole situation is a bloody stupid mess really. Never mind how well Thompson has held up he is a fool. I won't hang the bloke , rather i will leave that to the courts and the real justice system rather than the roving lynch mobs on this site and in our Parliament.

No the real problem is the immaturity of our political system. We have been shown up as little more than limited liberalised communism. We don't really have democracy and clearly cannot handle the idea at all. The hung Parliament has bought out the worst in all rather than demonstrated the maturity of our democracy. A government that drags its heels to cover its self and its position fighting an opposition that is so obsessed with power it has no policy and no direction other than destroy a government. Both sides have the stench of corruption and this is really the core issue. Our system would have covered all this up if a strong majority were intact and the illusion of a safe stable democracy would continue, but the real chance of democracy is here and we have proven to be cannibals. It is truly very deeply concerning and gives little hope for the future.
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Reply #212 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:07am
 
The opposition has known about Thomson for 4 yrs and said nothing until they figured they could grab power from his demise.
No one comes out of this with the high moral ground.
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Reply #213 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:07am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:07am:
The opposition has known about Thomson for 4 yrs and said nothing until they figured they could grab power from his demise.
No one comes out of this with the high moral ground.




what what what....are you talking about..

THOMO brought this all on himself... when are you going to geough your thick head..


HE WAS SUING THE SMH...FOR PRINTING UP ABOUT HIS CREDITCARD USE FOR PROSTITUTES..

HE THEN BAILED OUT OF THAT.. BUT HIS LAWYERS HAD TO BE ...PAID... GUESS WHO PAID THEM?????

THATS RIGHT NOT THOMO.

AND GUESS WHO DIDNT TELL THE PERCUNARY BOARD ABOUT THIS EXTRA FUNDING HE WAS GIVEN.??????


which is ILLEGAL.breaks the rules dont you know??

he undid himself..


of course the Libs are going to jump on it... only a mad fool wouldnt..

look what your side are trying to do to Jackson and Ashby...crucify them

and you have the hide to talk about moral high ground..LOL>.


your side is bending over backwards to get THOMO off this hook he placed himself on..

and he doesnt have a bloody thing to do with morals..his case stinks.. it goes from bad to rotton..and he is the only one responsible.
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Reply #214 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:08am
 
cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:07am:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:07am:
The opposition has known about Thomson for 4 yrs and said nothing until they figured they could grab power from his demise.
No one comes out of this with the high moral ground.




what what what....are you talking about..

THOMO brought this all on himself... when are you going to geough your thick head..


HE WAS SUING THE SMH...FOR PRINTING UP ABOUT HIS CREDITCARD USE FOR PROSTITUTES..

HE THEN BAILED OUT OF THAT.. BUT HIS LAWYERS HAD TO BE ...PAID... GUESS WHO PAID THEM?????

THATS RIGHT NOT THOMO.

AND GUESS WHO DIDNT TELL THE PERCUNARY BOARD ABOUT THIS EXTRA FUNDING HE WAS GIVEN.??????


which is ILLEGAL.breaks the rules dont you know??

he undid himself..


of course the Libs are going to jump on it... only a mad fool wouldnt..

look what your side are trying to do to Jackson and Ashby...crucify them

and you have the hide to talk about moral high ground..LOL>.


your side is bending over backwards to get THOMO off this hook he placed himself on..

and he doesnt have a bloody thing to do with morals..his case stinks.. it goes from bad to rotton..and he is the only one responsible.


I voted for the Greens the last few elections so "my side" has nothing to do with it.
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Reply #215 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:00pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:08am:
cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:07am:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:07am:
The opposition has known about Thomson for 4 yrs and said nothing until they figured they could grab power from his demise.
No one comes out of this with the high moral ground.




what what what....are you talking about..

THOMO brought this all on himself... when are you going to geough your thick head..


HE WAS SUING THE SMH...FOR PRINTING UP ABOUT HIS CREDITCARD USE FOR PROSTITUTES..

HE THEN BAILED OUT OF THAT.. BUT HIS LAWYERS HAD TO BE ...PAID... GUESS WHO PAID THEM?????

THATS RIGHT NOT THOMO.

AND GUESS WHO DIDNT TELL THE PERCUNARY BOARD ABOUT THIS EXTRA FUNDING HE WAS GIVEN.??????


which is ILLEGAL.breaks the rules dont you know??

he undid himself..


of course the Libs are going to jump on it... only a mad fool wouldnt..

look what your side are trying to do to Jackson and Ashby...crucify them

and you have the hide to talk about moral high ground..LOL>.


your side is bending over backwards to get THOMO off this hook he placed himself on..

and he doesnt have a bloody thing to do with morals..his case stinks.. it goes from bad to rotton..and he is the only one responsible.


I voted for the Greens the last few elections so "my side" has nothing to do with it.


coz we are so surprised by that. it shows in your posts. rud, arrogant, lacking in anything even like logic, etc...
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Re: Majority has no sympathy for Thomson
Reply #216 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:03pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:44am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:21am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:07am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 11:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 8:12pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
You can achieve virtually any result you want from a public opinion poll by the way you word the question and the time of day you carry out the poll.

I reckon the result could be quite different if you started the question with the words: "Imagine Craig Thomson was a member of your family......."


it was a PROFESSIONAL poll - not some amateur online nonsense. So complain all you like, but the results are in. The question was posed WITHOUT intrinsic bias, unlike the question you started to pose.


Not complaining, I leave that to you and your Liberal-worshipping mates, you are so much better at it.

So what were the questions in the poll? Do you know?


Typical

When the polls are not in their favour lefties will play the man


So I take it you don't know what the questions were. What a surprise.


well why dont you tell us what the question was then? But you dont know, do you? You just assume that there is inherent bias in every poll you dont like. Only skippy is more arithmetically-challenged than that position.


I don't know how the question was worded, therefore I do not trust the result of the poll.

You and your reactionary camp followers also don't know how the question was worded, but do trust the result because it tells you what you want to hear.

Get the difference, now?
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Reply #217 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:32pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
You can achieve virtually any result you want from a public opinion poll by the way you word the question and the time of day you carry out the poll.

I reckon the result could be quite different if you started the question with the words: "Imagine Craig Thomson was a member of your family......."





To their CREDIT, the 50% Murdoch owned Newspoll show transparency in repeating the question put to those polled in their spreadsheets, verbatim

Morgan, Nielsen and Galaxy are less inclined to do so




So reading, on their web-site, of someone without charge ...

Quote:
The continuing saga of disgraced former Labor MP Craig Thomson ...

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4779/index.cfm?printversion=yes



... DOES make you WONDER




Would the result be the same, had the question been ...

"Bearing in mind - after three years, at least two police investigations and NO CHARGES ever laid - do you think the Opposition were a bit "over the top" in their pursuit of him" ?






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Reply #218 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:37pm
 
Maybe the question should have been

Married family man and SA Liberal MP and Minister Mark Brindle was caught red handed shagging a retarded man on his office desk.

A  should all Liberals be tarred with the same brush
B  should he have resigned his seat given the govt at the time only had a one seat majority in the house.
C should the Labor opposition driven him and his family to the point of suicide until he left parliament
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Reply #219 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:38pm
 
I dont know how you can delude yourselves so much, the anger and volatility out there towards these corrupt liars is palpable.
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Reply #220 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 9:44am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:21am:
Maqqa wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 7:07am:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 11:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 8:12pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
You can achieve virtually any result you want from a public opinion poll by the way you word the question and the time of day you carry out the poll.

I reckon the result could be quite different if you started the question with the words: "Imagine Craig Thomson was a member of your family......."


it was a PROFESSIONAL poll - not some amateur online nonsense. So complain all you like, but the results are in. The question was posed WITHOUT intrinsic bias, unlike the question you started to pose.


Not complaining, I leave that to you and your Liberal-worshipping mates, you are so much better at it.

So what were the questions in the poll? Do you know?


Typical

When the polls are not in their favour lefties will play the man


So I take it you don't know what the questions were. What a surprise.


well why dont you tell us what the question was then? But you dont know, do you? You just assume that there is inherent bias in every poll you dont like. Only skippy is more arithmetically-challenged than that position.


I don't know how the question was worded, therefore I do not trust the result of the poll.

You and your reactionary camp followers also don't know how the question was worded, but do trust the result because it tells you what you want to hear.

Get the difference, now?


not at all. the difference is that I dont assume that every professional is a cretin if they say seomthing i dont agree with. this is not some online media poll. it is a PROFESSIONAL outfit with very high standards and record. It is quite fair to assume the question was worded professionally by professionals in a professional poll. That is a reasonable assumption. If you wish to dispute that then prove the contrary. but for now, you are simply articulating that classic online denizens position of disgreeing with something he doesnt like for no other reason than he doesnt like it.

pathetic.
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Reply #221 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:02pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
You can achieve virtually any result you want from a public opinion poll by the way you word the question and the time of day you carry out the poll.

I reckon the result could be quite different if you started the question with the words: "Imagine Craig Thomson was a member of your family......."





To their CREDIT, the 50% Murdoch owned Newspoll show transparency in repeating the question put to those polled in their spreadsheets, verbatim

Morgan, Nielsen and Galaxy are less inclined to do so




So reading, on their web-site, of someone without charge ...

Quote:
The continuing saga of disgraced former Labor MP Craig Thomson ...

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4779/index.cfm?printversion=yes



... DOES make you WONDER




Would the result be the same, had the question been ...

"Bearing in mind - after three years, at least two police investigations and NO CHARGES ever laid - do you think the Opposition were a bit "over the top" in their pursuit of him" ?








it appears the public dont think so. and you seem to have conveniently forgotten that there are two polic forces (including one strikeforce) that is continuing to investigate thomson including raids on multiple premises. 

keep up.
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Reply #222 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:04pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:37pm:
Maybe the question should have been

Married family man and SA Liberal MP and Minister Mark Brindle was caught red handed shagging a retarded man on his office desk.

A  should all Liberals be tarred with the same brush
B  should he have resigned his seat given the govt at the time only had a one seat majority in the house.
C should the Labor opposition driven him and his family to the point of suicide until he left parliament


as disgraceful as it was, it wasnt illegal. stealing $500,000 and taking a whole lot more from secret commissions IS.

if you want guilt ONLY assigned by a court of law then your post has zero value.

make up your mind.
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Reply #223 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:22pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:04pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:37pm:
Maybe the question should have been

Married family man and SA Liberal MP and Minister Mark Brindle was caught red handed shagging a retarded man on his office desk.

A  should all Liberals be tarred with the same brush
B  should he have resigned his seat given the govt at the time only had a one seat majority in the house.
C should the Labor opposition driven him and his family to the point of suicide until he left parliament


as disgraceful as it was, it wasnt illegal. stealing $500,000 and taking a whole lot more from secret commissions IS.

if you want guilt ONLY assigned by a court of law then your post has zero value.

make up your mind.




this person has done so much that I am not surprised it is taking this long..

as you say.. stealing from his members basically they have to charge him with that offence..

going to prostitutes isnt illegal..using his works creditcard isnt illegal either all he has to say is they didnt say I couldnt ???.

so not only are the police trawling though every bit of evidence on THOMO it has to also go through the rules and regulation of the HSU...

which dont sound too bright from where I am sitting..

I dont say they deserve all they get.. because it was a feasting frenzy really

when we hear what Williamson got away with as well.. we will be sick..well us righties will be.

I can almost hear the lefties cheering them both on..

I do hope this is over soon.. it really is bizarre in every way



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Reply #224 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:04pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:37pm:
Maybe the question should have been

Married family man and SA Liberal MP and Minister Mark Brindle was caught red handed shagging a retarded man on his office desk.

A  should all Liberals be tarred with the same brush
B  should he have resigned his seat given the govt at the time only had a one seat majority in the house.
C should the Labor opposition driven him and his family to the point of suicide until he left parliament


as disgraceful as it was, it wasnt illegal. stealing $500,000 and taking a whole lot more from secret commissions IS.

if you want guilt ONLY assigned by a court of law then your post has zero value.

make up your mind.


If he has broken the law he will be convicted and then kicked out of parliament but until then he has every right to the assumption of innocence and every right to his seat just as others from both sides of politics have in the past.
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