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Reply #15 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm

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if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

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Reply #16 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:58pm

Actually.
Just come out to Ganmain and learn how to build a Straw Bale House (as invented by Nevada Farmers in the US).
Average around 60% Cheaper to build
Average around 80% Quicker to build
Average around 60% DIY
Average around 70% More Insulation than a Double-Brick Veneer.
Isn't 'brittle' in an EarthQuake like a Double-Brick Veneer ...50% actually stays uprights and 'bales' don't CRUSH.
Far more durable against a Cyclone.
Takes 1/2 to 1hour to burn through during Bushfire.
You can build 'Straight' rendered walls and corners and some Straw Bale Houses have been built to $million specifications for mansions.
One University and 35 Engineers approve Straw Bale Buildings so no Building Industry or Council can deny them these days.
...Especially when they are Environmentally Friendly.

So Cheaper Housing can be INCREASED QUALITY. Wink

If you ain't afraid to be 'different'. Tongue

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: People Renting Chook Pens And Garages. Reply #17 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 3:48pm That's the way to go Jas, back to the future. I know a couple who built a mud brick house, made all their own bricks in plastic ice cream containers. Nature supplies the best insulation.
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Reply #18 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 3:50pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 3:48pm:

That's the way to go Jas, back to the future. I know a couple who built a mud brick house, made all their own bricks in plastic ice cream containers. Nature supplies the best insulation.

Yes but I hear that ice cream containers are an endangered species after some premiere or other decreed its legal to shoot them.''

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: People Renting Chook Pens And Garages. Reply #19 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm I've got a chook pen for rent if anyones interested. You'll be sharing with half a dozen chooks, but that just means you get to split the expenses 7 ways. I will expect at least 4 eggs a week from you though.
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Reply #20 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 4:28pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Regarding house prices everyone should watch dick smith's documentary on population growth. It seems that property developers are behind population growth so they can flog their over inflated properties to desperate people Sad

Again the property parasites get their way at the expense of the rest of us !!

Hear hear Nail,
Dick Smith is right -

it's caused by over population - the fault of both Labor & Libbos.
We have never had good government in this country.
They allow the dregs of the world to come here
without housing & services for them.

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Reply #21 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

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if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

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so what !! get rid of it !!

why should someone who already owns their own family home get a tax break for owning another and denying someone else a family home ??

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Reply #22 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

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if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

SOB

so what !! get rid of it !!

why should someone who already owns their own family home get a tax break for denying someone else a family home ??

How does it deny someone else a family house? REally the thing thats denying ppl family houses ATM is the prices of family houses and the banks reluctance to lend that much.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: People Renting Chook Pens And Garages. Reply #23 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:52pm freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:17am: The minimum legal standards are the reason for the high prices. There are all sorts of requirements for builders and landlords that push up housing prices. If you want cheaper housing, it means lowering standards. They are not the only variables and you know it!
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Reply #24 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:56pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Quote:

if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

SOB

so what !! get rid of it !!

why should someone who already owns their own family home get a tax break for denying someone else a family home ??

How does it deny someone else a family house? REally the thing thats denying ppl family houses ATM is the prices of family houses and the banks reluctance to lend that much.

SOB

It means it's not available to be bought by someone to own and live in for themselves because someone who wants to own more than one home gets unfair tax advantages over the person who just wants a home to live in Sad

I don't know why this inequitable situation is so hard for you to grasp !!

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Reply #25 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:19pm

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Quote:

if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

SOB

so what !! get rid of it !!

why should someone who already owns their own family home get a tax break for denying someone else a family home ??

How does it deny someone else a family house? REally the thing thats denying ppl family houses ATM is the prices of family houses and the banks reluctance to lend that much.

SOB

It means it's not available to be bought by someone to own for themselves because someone who wants to own more than one home gets unfair tax advantages over the person who just wants a home to live in Sad

I don't know why this inequitable situation is so hard for you to grasp !!

That sounds like sheer jealousy to me. Mummy mummy he got more than me! WAhhhhh. Doesnt sound like it would effect others getting a house though. you sure it isnt other factors for example house prices and banks not lending?

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Reply #26 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:21pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 6:19pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Quote:

if it's capitalism then why the corporate welfare and tax breaks for property developers and speculators ?? Let the market take car of itself with NO concessions for anyone

This is the 2nd time I have seen this mentioned. What are these tax breaks? The negative gearing? Thats been there a very long time. This govt certainly didnt bring it in. As far as I know its just for ppl that are renting out a house and paying a mortgage. Are there other "tax breaks" or "handouts" because I want to claim them if there are.

SOB

so what !! get rid of it !!

why should someone who already owns their own family home get a tax break for denying someone else a family home ??

How does it deny someone else a family house? REally the thing thats denying ppl family houses ATM is the prices of family houses and the banks reluctance to lend that much.

SOB

It means it's not available to be bought by someone to own for themselves because someone who wants to own more than one home gets unfair tax advantages over the person who just wants a home to live in Sad

I don't know why this inequitable situation is so hard for you to grasp !!

That sounds like sheer jealousy to me. Mummy mummy he got more than me! WAhhhhh. Doesnt sound like it would effect others getting a house though. you sure it isnt other factors for example house prices and banks not lending?

SOB

It's not jealousy at all. It's pure greed supported by the tax system Sad

I don't think any other country in the world has this sort of system but then Australia is a corporate crooks paradise isn't it !!

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Reply #27 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:14pm

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Also increase land tax to discourage speculators and hoarders inflating the bubble.

This will push up rents. People need to rent. There is good reason to have landlords, but they will not pocket the loss. They will pass it on.

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if it was only applied to new houses it would force people to invest in building new joints instead of flipping old joints and creating nothing new except scarcity and a bigger bubbl

What holds back new developments is restrictions on approvals and high standards.

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Average around 60% Cheaper to build

Are you serious? It costs 40% of a real house and washes away when it rains?

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Reply #28 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Also increase land tax to discourage speculators and hoarders inflating the bubble.

This will push up rents. People need to rent. There is good reason to have landlords, but they will not pocket the loss. They will pass it on.

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if it was only applied to new houses it would force people to invest in building new joints instead of flipping old joints and creating nothing new except scarcity and a bigger bubbl

What holds back new developments is restrictions on approvals and high standards.

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Average around 60% Cheaper to build

Are you serious? It costs 40% of a real house and washes away when it rains?

then no one will rent their dumps if they are too dear and they will have to sell them thus bringing the price of property down Wink

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Reply #29 - May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:49pm

Poor people don't complain about the price of buying a house. They complain about the price of renting one. It is hardly fair to make the renters pay more so wealthier people can buy a house.

People have to live somewhere, so in practice they do have to pay the higher price. Chookpens are not exactly a trend.

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