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bludger Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314 Gender:	so who was born first? May 21^st, 2012 at 4:15pm Man is born of woman yet the religiosose claim god made man and then made a woman from a bit of his rib. Don't matter how you slice it, cloning makes identical copies therefore eve was a man.-- Steve meet Adam.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: so who was born first? Reply #1 - May 21^st, 2012 at 4:38pm Why did he supposedly make everything earth wind clouds trees man etc out of nothing then he needed a rib to make woman. SOB
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Reply #2 - May 21^st, 2012 at 6:47pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Why did he supposedly make everything earth wind clouds trees man etc out of nothing then he needed a rib to make woman.

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It's mostly crazy creationists that believe that Genesis is literal. Pope John Paul II in 1979 stated that Genesis is mythological, and even St Augustine of Hippo in the 4th Century CE stated that parts of Genesis were not intended to be interpreted literally.

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The creation account is accomodated to the limited understandings of the target audiences for Genesis, and that we are not to imagine that God, literally, made a clay man, as if with literal hands, and then blew breath into it's face and caused it to become an ensouled human.
............. this account need not be taken strictly literally.

I don't think we have any crazy young Earth creationists around here, but good luck.
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getchap.cfm?WorkNum=216&Chap...

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Reply #3 - May 21^st, 2012 at 8:08pm

bludger wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 4:15pm:

Man is born of woman yet the religiosose claim god made man and then made a woman from a bit of his rib. Don't matter how you slice it, cloning makes identical copies therefore eve was a man.-- Steve meet Adam.

Why drag religion into it. I thought (maybe misguided) That a single cell was first then came multiple cell organisms followed by more complex micro organisms and as we follow down the path of evolution at different time divisions happened so we end with the diversity we have. I know that sections of this are theory but they are based on what we know combined with logical deduction and probability with a dose of maths. I still prefer to try and understand this and be prepared to evolve as we discover new things that may give rise to challenge these ideas rather than believing with blind faith that some supernatural being just happened to create everything in six days then had a BBQ on the seventh.

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: so who was born first? Reply #4 - May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do.
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: so who was born first? Reply #5 - May 30^th, 2012 at 4:49pm falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm: God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do. Then why do you pray?
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: so who was born first? Reply #6 - May 30^th, 2012 at 6:58pm bobbythefap1 wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:49pm: falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm: God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do. Then why do you pray? Because He wants me to.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: so who was born first? Reply #7 - May 30^th, 2012 at 9:39pm falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:58pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:49pm: falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm: God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do. Then why do you pray? Because He wants me to. Why does he want you to pray?
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Reply #8 - May 30^th, 2012 at 9:45pm

falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do.

The existence of Israel explained. Grin

Allah didn't need to but wanted to create a Jewish state that surpasses the Muslims in everything. A lesson?

But the Muslims want to destroy Allah's lesson to them because, they say, that is ALSO Allah's will.

Does Allah want Muslims to destroy the Israel Allah wanted to created?

And how the hell would Muslims know? Any practical questions will short-circuit the Islamist mind. The incompatible of Islamists doctrine and plain common sense is palpable.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57162 Here Gender:	Re: so who was born first? Reply #9 - May 30^th, 2012 at 10:56pm so who was born first? Old people
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bludger Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 314 Gender:	Re: so who was born first? Reply #10 - May 30^th, 2012 at 11:07pm Well when you think about it they weren't born at all . they were both made. So the first person born would be one of their kids whoever that was.
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Reply #11 - May 31^st, 2012 at 7:09am

Soren wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do.

The existence of Israel explained. Grin

Allah didn't need to but wanted to create a Jewish state that surpasses the Muslims in everything. A lesson?

But the Muslims want to destroy Allah's lesson to them because, they say, that is ALSO Allah's will.

Does Allah want Muslims to destroy the Israel Allah wanted to created?

And how the hell would Muslims know? Any practical questions will short-circuit the Islamist mind. The incompatible of Islamists doctrine and plain common sense is palpable.

That is antisemitic.

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Reply #12 - May 31^st, 2012 at 9:30am

Soren wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

falah wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

God does as He wants. He doesn't need to create Eve from Adam's rib, but that is what He wanted to do.

The existence of Israel explained. Grin

Allah didn't need to but wanted to create a Jewish state that surpasses the Muslims in everything. A lesson?

But the Muslims want to destroy Allah's lesson to them because, they say, that is ALSO Allah's will.

Does Allah want Muslims to destroy the Israel Allah wanted to created?

And how the hell would Muslims know? Any practical questions will short-circuit the Islamist mind. The incompatible of Islamists doctrine and plain common sense is palpable.

Israel, like Pharoah and Herod, has been created as a test for Muslims. Israel will perish like Pharoah and Goliath before them. These are the signs of God Almighty.

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Reply #13 - May 31^st, 2012 at 10:46pm

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:30am:

Israel, like Pharoah and Herod, has been created as a test for Muslims.

How the hell would you know that??

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Israel will perish like Pharoah and Goliath before them. These are the signs of God Almighty.

Ditto.

Everything perishes. The caliphates perished. Nothing lasts forever.

SO if things you don't like as a Muslim perish, that is a sign from Allah. But if if things you don't like come into being -Israel- that is a sign from Allah, too. Everything is Allah's will. You have no idea what Allah's will is. And you have know idea where this is all going. So you just make up the 'signs' to please your preferences because you have no way knowing Allah's plan. Allah and humans do not share reason or even love. Allah could do evil things if the whim takes him.

This is what happens when people - sons of Mohammed - embrace irrationality and radical unknowability as a guiding principle to face life. Everything becomes random, Allah's random, it's all about submission to the Random.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: so who was born first? Reply #14 - May 31^st, 2012 at 10:48pm falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:30am: Israel, like Pharoah and Herod, has been created as a test for Muslims. How about this: Mohammed and Islam were created by Allah to test everyone. You cannot possibly rule this out.
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