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Reply #15 - May 24th, 2012 at 5:48pm
 
> All of the research that had financial ties to aspartame deemed it to be safe while 92% of the independent research indicated otherwise.

Whilst I'm glad to see practical information being posted here, there's a further caveat that is seldom mentioned, and essential to any real evaluation of risk. Almost all this type of research focuses on a single target substance in strictly controlled environments, and produces results that are only valid within those parameters. The human body is not only a complex biochemical environment, but a widely varying one, and potential real-world effects may vary widely from what experimental results may suggest. The body's defence mechanisms are also highly effective whilst health is maintained, but a gradual reduction in health can cross a threshold beyond which run-away effects lead to  severe complications, and these are often not attributed to the true cause if this has previously appeared benign.

> FSANZ and the FDA have both declared BPA safe due to the tiny amounts that are consumed

Of far greater concern, however, are the consequences of mixing different toxins and "safe" chemicals. BPA on its own may be safe below a certain limit, but in admixture with other substances can be far more damaging in ways that are unsuspected and untested. I read an unusual report some time ago by researchers who attempted to measure the effects of various admixtures of known toxins, an exceedingly complex and difficult task given the large number of variables and unknowns. Definite conclusions were difficult to deduce, but the authors expressed alarm at many of their initial findings, and published in the hope of attracting further funding for what they regarded as essential but unsupported research.

> 74 were funded by corporations with financial ties to aspartame.

Here's the real problem. If funding for single-substance research is biased and difficult to obtain, what chance is there of ANY company funding research into their own products in combination with those of their competitors. As I said in the post above, a simple soluble oil can be safe enough on its own, but even small amounts of bromine can change it into an insoluble deposit that, over time, can turn toxic or carcinogenic.

> I recon these days as soon as someone can pump enough crap into a rat and kill it, that’s all some need to raise the hysterics alarm.

And here's the most dangerous consequence of all; the creation of an army of "armchair experts" who draw puerile conclusions from a quick googling, not of data, but of popularized interpretations, most biased to suit one or another agenda.

The simple fact is that WE DO NOT KNOW what are the results of ingesting the crazy array of novel chemicals and biotics that are now entering the foodchain. It's caveat emptor with a whole new meaning - basically, "yer on yer own, mate."
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Reply #16 - May 24th, 2012 at 7:32pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:39am:
cods wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 8:16am:
did you know leaving a bottle of water in your car for a few hours turns it toxic and should never be drunk... plastic being what it is..


Did you know that all plastic bottles and containers have a code on them?

Good 1 and 2

ok  4 and 5

Bad 3, 6 and 7....never buy a product packed in a container with a code of 3, 6, 7.


Checked two bottles of water at work today. Both had the recycling symbol, but no number.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2012 at 11:00am
 
LOL, listen to it.

Who does this? Huh
who draw puerile conclusions not of data, but of popularized interpretations, most biased to suit one or another agenda.

Oh it’s you!!! Roll Eyes
but in admixture with other substances can be far more damaging in ways that are unsuspected and untested

Do you have anything in fact or just puerile conclusions?

Undecided
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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2012 at 11:48am
 
FriYAY wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 11:00am:
Do you have anything in fact or just puerile conclusions?

You could start with these if you're interested:

http://www.aaemonline.org/chemicalsensitivitypost.html

http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1524552
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2012 at 12:01pm
 
52midnight wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 11:48am:
FriYAY wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 11:00am:
Do you have anything in fact or just puerile conclusions?

You could start with these if you're interested:

http://www.aaemonline.org/chemicalsensitivitypost.html

http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1524552


A wishy-washy piece on environmental chemicals.

One on GM corn

One on toxic tort cases

Marvelous.

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Reply #20 - May 25th, 2012 at 1:16pm
 
> A wishy-washy piece on environmental chemicals.

http://www.aaemonline.org/chemicalsensitivitypost.html

The 90,000 chemicals commonly circulating in our modern world appear to be causing considerably more problems for humans than are typically recognized. Chemically sensitive persons, when reacting to even small chemical exposures, suffer with various symptoms that range in intensity from being unpleasant to being temporarily or even permanently disabling. Only too frequently this condition is unrecognized as it progressively leads to poor health, reduced activity, stressed social relationships and reduced job productivity.

Yes, well, you're obviously an Ozn - mindlessly aggressive, stupid, bigoted, and incapable of reading a page that doesn't have at least a dozen BlinkyBills on it.

Just like our politicians, in fact. They really do represent the majority of Ozns. "A nation gets the leaders it deserves."

Go back to Facebook - you'll be much more at home.
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Reply #21 - May 25th, 2012 at 3:10pm
 
52midnight wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:16pm:
> A wishy-washy piece on environmental chemicals.

http://www.aaemonline.org/chemicalsensitivitypost.html

The 90,000 chemicals commonly circulating in our modern world appear to be causing considerably more problems for humans than are typically recognized. Chemically sensitive persons, when reacting to even small chemical exposures, suffer with various symptoms that range in intensity from being unpleasant to being temporarily or even permanently disabling. Only too frequently this condition is unrecognized as it progressively leads to poor health, reduced activity, stressed social relationships and reduced job productivity.

Yes, well, you're obviously an Ozn - mindlessly aggressive, stupid, bigoted, and incapable of reading a page that doesn't have at least a dozen BlinkyBills on it.

Just like our politicians, in fact. They really do represent the majority of Ozns. "A nation gets the leaders it deserves."

Go back to Facebook - you'll be much more at home.


LOL

What an angry little rant Ozn! Grrrrrrr Angry

"appear to be causing"

Ozn proof... Grin
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Reply #22 - May 25th, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
52midnight wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:56am:
Australia is a failed nation, and Australians are not just a failed race, but a biologically unviable species. Their territory is now being over-run by unwanted immigrants from every country on Earth, and they are powerless to stop it. The new-comers, as always, will take over within a generation, and the next generation of Australians will live in poverty in crime-ridden ghettos ...







Have you and
corporate_whitey
considered getting "hitched" ?









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Reply #23 - May 25th, 2012 at 3:55pm
 
Look up ad hominem if either of you know how to use a dictionary. The ten year-olds have obviously taken over here, so I'll call it quits.
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